On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:32:19PM -0700, Guy Fraser wrote:
> RH is up to it again!
>
> ...
> The following packages have been deprecated, and may be removed from a
> future release of Red Hat Linux:
>
> - pine - License-related issues
> ...
> - lilo - Grub is the recommended bootloader
>
> I absolutely hate grub! Now this sucks big time!
>
> Now that pine is gone
It's not gone. It's deprecated. Some time in the future, it *may* be
removed. Are you having difficulty reading or comprehending?
> All I am left with is vi.
> I hate emacs, which is bloated and overly complicated for simple editing.
I don't know about the other editors, but there are least a half dozen
others the last time I looked.
> I wonder when vi will get tossed? After all only savy users use it. Like
> the ones who have been supporting RH for close to a decade now.
What makes you think vi will be removed? After all, Red Hat only ships
2 versions of vi - the original vi, plus vim.
> I feel like a broken record, ever since 7.3 the standard Unix utilities
> have been disappearing. For proffesional unix administrators like me
^^ yup, that's real purfeshunal
> this is more than just annoying. It is people like me who have been
> helping and supporting RH since 1995 that are being rejected by many of
> these changes.
Can you please list which packages in Red Hat Linux you've contributed
to?
> RH 9 may be my last release, then I may have to switch
> my support to another distibution or BSD version.
Every distribution and every operating system has tradeoffs. Things
change. Get used to it. Take responsibility for ensuring that the
package is well maintained, has a loyal following, and is available in
rpm format. Red Hat may continue with it.
> Getting new fickle customers at the cost of loosing long time supporters
> who helped RH get where they are does not make sense. A brand name is a
> marketing tool but word of mouth from respected unix "guru's" goes much
> further.
I've been following this list for a while. Funny your name never came
up as a respected Unix guru.
> Well now that I have a fix for wine, I better get busy and fix the 10
> machines that broke last week.
You did a lot of testing, didn't you? As a respected Unix guru, I would
have expected you would have found the issues after patching the first
one, not 10 systems later.
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