On Saturday 29 March 2003 11:32, Guy Fraser uttered: > The following packages have been deprecated, and may be removed from a > future release of Red Hat Linux: > > - pine - License-related issues > ... > - lilo - Grub is the recommended bootloader > > I absolutely hate grub! Now this sucks big time! Deprecated, not removed. Lilo _may_ be removed in the future, probably once grub can do everything lilo can do. It already does quite a lot that lilo never could. I've saved my ass many-a-times by using grubs command line at boot time, when the menu can't be found. Good luck doing that w/ lilo. > Now that pine is gone, there will be no pico. All I am left with is vi. > I hate emacs, which is bloated and overly complicated for simple editing. Then file your complaint with the authors of Pine that won't budge on the license issue. > I wonder when vi will get tossed? After all only savy users use it. Like > the ones who have been supporting RH for close to a decade now. Vi will not be tossed because vi is not in the distro. Vim is, and has a compatibility mode that can be accessed via the "vi" binary. rpm -qf `which vi` and you'll see the same. Since there are no license issues with Vim, and since it is a very heavily used app, I don't see it going away. Instead of bitching and moaning to the list, you could file an RFE for inclusion of nano, which is a GPL clone of pico, and doesn't seem to have any licensing issues at first glance. But personally, I don't know of any Professional Unix admins that use pico. *chuckle* we all get a laugh over that one. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://geek.j2solutions.net Mondo DevTeam (www.mondorescue.org) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list