""Dan Joseph"" <dmjoseph@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:a20394490804221049k6b88ef02r6ce9e241fc793b7c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Tony Marston > <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >> You haven't answered the question. Where can this piece of wizardry be >> downloaded so that it can be reviewed by your peers? >> >> >> >> > > I didn't originally want to get in the middle of a fist fight, but I've > been > reading this all day, and I really have to ask... > > What in the world is wrong with you? Did you get picked on by the kids in > the science club always saying their framework was better than yours? > > You seem to be arguing that your framework is the only one that anyone > should use, and is capable of getting the job done. If you bother to read what I have written you will see that I have ever made any such claims. I have simply been answerng the questions "what is a framework" and "what are the benefits of using a framework" > You based this claim on > a senseless argument that you can build a table and generate some page to > handle it in under 5 minutes. I am saying that using a framework will allow you to create components much quicker than not using a framework for the simple reason that you don't have to keep writing code to reinvent the wheel - you reuse code that is provided within the framework. > Who cares? Do you know what a framework really is? Actually I do. I have been developing software over three decades in three different languages. I have used many frameworks written by other people, but I have always been far more productive using framedworks which I have written myself. > Is it solely a means by which to build an application in as > little time as possible? There are two parts to a framework - (a) the ability to generate new components, and (b) providing a runtime environment with which to run those components. > Many on the list are saying "We wrote our own, we don't like or want to > use the ones out there." Think about the reasons... We have applications > we build internally that either (1) the frameworks can't get done, or (2) > the frameworks are way overkill. I agree that finding the right framework to use can be very difficult, which is why a lot of programmers (like me) prefer to roll their own. But if you can find an off-the-shelf framework that does the job it can save you an awful amount of time. -- Tony Marston http://www.tonymarston.net http://www.radicore.org > You are essentially arguing the same point > that everyone else is. You've just isolated it to Radicore. Do you even > realize that? I know nothing, I'm from Barcelona! :) > -Dan Joseph > > "Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day. > Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life." > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
