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BTW I was not commenting on "real" or "unreal" artists, it was more about the mindset of folks that rely on a paycheck (and/or a pension) for artistic or other reasons vs. the ones that followed their own path literally on their own.
Klaus > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:01:36 -0800 > From: asharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Differences fo opinion > To: photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > I appreciate the input of an impartial (?) person to this forum. > However, you don't get a second chance to make first impressions, and > Art/Jan did his level best to make sure we all were well acquainted with > his "email persona". > > Some of us do not photograph for a "paycheck"; some of us do it for > love. Some of us make art because we cannot not make art. Be grateful > that there are folks on this list that will not genuflect or kowtow to > "real artists", and will give them an honest opinion. Sometimes, that > can even be valuable to "real artists", if they would only listen. > > Andrew > > > On 1/5/14, 8:48 PM, Klaus Knuth wrote: > > I am old and new to this list, but I know Jan probably a little better than most of you. > > > > In my opinion it does take a different personality to survive as a long-time paycheck employee with health and pension benefits attached vs. someone who takes on the world (in this case the art world) on his/her own. You have to either fake it or really be very self-confident and self-centered to have any chance at all. Have a read on the life of someone like Steve Jobs. He did the best commencement speech ever in my book, but was he a nice person to talk to? > > > > Be grateful to have some real artists on this list. Art can be offensive at times. Part of the job. > > > > Just some thoughts. > > > > Klaus > > > > > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Andrew Sharpe <asharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> And yet, you still did. Must be nice to always have the last word. > >> > >> Apologies to the rest of the list, but Jan/Art/Prints/Whateverhisname > >> (and sometimes Randy, but certainly not as much) really irks me, and > >> Trevor's comments were well chosen, and spot on. > >> > >> I would rather wish this list would go back to the list I joined, > >> pre-Jan, pre-Randy, and > >> pre-I'vedonemorethanyoucaneverhopetoaccomplishsoyoubetterjustgiveup. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> > >> On 1/5/14, 8:08 PM, Jan Faul wrote: > >>> > >>> I’m going to bed, is that what you have in mind? I have other things to > >>> do tomorrow so I would like to not comment at all. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 PM, wpettit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> <mailto:wpettit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Is there any chance this discussion can quiet down a bit? > >>>> > >>>> Bill > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Trevor Cunningham <trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> <mailto:trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > >>>>> Sent: Jan 5, 2014 10:40 PM > >>>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > >>>>> <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Differences fo opinion > >>>>> > >>>>> I suppose my email was in response to yours, but it was meant in a very > >>>>> general sense. If all from that email that someone can pull is personal > >>>>> offense at my scorn for bullies, then there you are. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 1/5/14 11:17 PM, RsLittle wrote: > >>>>>> Please come by the studio in Manhatten and say that at your leisure. > >>>>>> I'll be around Until march when I start finishing work on gorilla for > >>>>>> the summer release. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -------- Original message -------- > >>>>>> From: Jan Faul > >>>>>> Date:01/05/2014 3:09 PM (GMT-05:00) > >>>>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Differences fo opinion > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Trevor Cunningham wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> infantile jerk > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Like I said, you would never say this to anybody's face as you might > >>>>>> get punched. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Art Faul > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Artist Formerly Known as Prints > >>>>>> ------ > >>>>>> Art for Cars: art4carz.com <http://art4carz.com> <http://art4carz.com> > >>>>>> Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com > >>>>>> Greens: http://www.inkjetprince.com > >>>>>> Camera Works - The Washington Post > >>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/battlefieldparks/front_qt.htm > >>>>>> ArtNet: http://www.artnet.com/artists/jan+w.-faul/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> . > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Art Faul > >>> > >>> The Artist Formerly Known as Prints > >>> ------ > >>> Art for Cars: art4carz.com <http://art4carz.com> > >>> Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com > >>> Greens: http://www.inkjetprince.com > >>> Camera Works - The Washington Post > >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/battlefieldparks/front_qt.htm > >>> ArtNet: http://www.artnet.com/artists/jan+w.-faul/ > >>> > >>> . > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > |
