I appreciate the input of an impartial (?) person to this forum. However, you don't get a second chance to make first impressions, and Art/Jan did his level best to make sure we all were well acquainted with his "email persona". Some of us do not photograph for a "paycheck"; some of us do it for love. Some of us make art because we cannot not make art. Be grateful that there are folks on this list that will not genuflect or kowtow to "real artists", and will give them an honest opinion. Sometimes, that can even be valuable to "real artists", if they would only listen. Andrew On 1/5/14, 8:48 PM, Klaus Knuth wrote: > I am old and new to this list, but I know Jan probably a little better than most of you. > > In my opinion it does take a different personality to survive as a long-time paycheck employee with health and pension benefits attached vs. someone who takes on the world (in this case the art world) on his/her own. You have to either fake it or really be very self-confident and self-centered to have any chance at all. Have a read on the life of someone like Steve Jobs. He did the best commencement speech ever in my book, but was he a nice person to talk to? > > Be grateful to have some real artists on this list. Art can be offensive at times. Part of the job. > > Just some thoughts. > > Klaus > > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Andrew Sharpe <asharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> And yet, you still did. Must be nice to always have the last word. >> >> Apologies to the rest of the list, but Jan/Art/Prints/Whateverhisname >> (and sometimes Randy, but certainly not as much) really irks me, and >> Trevor's comments were well chosen, and spot on. >> >> I would rather wish this list would go back to the list I joined, >> pre-Jan, pre-Randy, and >> pre-I'vedonemorethanyoucaneverhopetoaccomplishsoyoubetterjustgiveup. >> >> Andrew >> >> >> On 1/5/14, 8:08 PM, Jan Faul wrote: >>> >>> I’m going to bed, is that what you have in mind? I have other things to >>> do tomorrow so I would like to not comment at all. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 PM, wpettit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mailto:wpettit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Is there any chance this discussion can quiet down a bit? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Trevor Cunningham <trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> <mailto:trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> >>>>> Sent: Jan 5, 2014 10:40 PM >>>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students >>>>> <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Differences fo opinion >>>>> >>>>> I suppose my email was in response to yours, but it was meant in a very >>>>> general sense. If all from that email that someone can pull is personal >>>>> offense at my scorn for bullies, then there you are. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/5/14 11:17 PM, RsLittle wrote: >>>>>> Please come by the studio in Manhatten and say that at your leisure. >>>>>> I'll be around Until march when I start finishing work on gorilla for >>>>>> the summer release. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>>> From: Jan Faul >>>>>> Date:01/05/2014 3:09 PM (GMT-05:00) >>>>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students >>>>>> Subject: Re: Differences fo opinion >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Trevor Cunningham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> infantile jerk >>>>>> >>>>>> Like I said, you would never say this to anybody's face as you might >>>>>> get punched. >>>>>> >>>>>> Art Faul >>>>>> >>>>>> The Artist Formerly Known as Prints >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> Art for Cars: art4carz.com <http://art4carz.com> <http://art4carz.com> >>>>>> Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com >>>>>> Greens: http://www.inkjetprince.com >>>>>> Camera Works - The Washington Post >>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/battlefieldparks/front_qt.htm >>>>>> ArtNet: http://www.artnet.com/artists/jan+w.-faul/ >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Art Faul >>> >>> The Artist Formerly Known as Prints >>> ------ >>> Art for Cars: art4carz.com <http://art4carz.com> >>> Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com >>> Greens: http://www.inkjetprince.com >>> Camera Works - The Washington Post >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/battlefieldparks/front_qt.htm >>> ArtNet: http://www.artnet.com/artists/jan+w.-faul/ >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
