are you sure you measured them correctly? you focused at infinity and then used the rear nodal point which is not often even marked any more stuck a micrometer into the lens through the rear element?
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Randy Little <randyslittle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
no cropping is to cut off something that existed in your shot. Frameing is the shot as intended to be displayed. Framing is what is happing within say a Frame. Cropping as a definition is to remove excess. So I;m going to say it no longer is what you originally intended to be in the frame. IE what ever frameing you chose you have now cut into that framing. Frame can either be the whole frame of some portion as decided BEFORE firing the shutter. So lets go back to what we are actually talking about. My shot could have been framed looser to accommodate photoshops CRAPPY undistorted tool and in turn NOT CROP my shot to produce LOSS OF IMAGE. Since that camera has an electronic view finder that auto corrects for lens distortion (THE CORRECT WAY by showing the scaled image ) I framed the shot the way I WANTED IT. Since I had that camera for about 2 days when I took that shot. I now have auto correct OFF. So that I see the lens distortion. Your example while mathematically valid. (2 year M&P class at RIT 1st year now) is a massive loss of detail or data to produce the SAME SIZE printed or web image. Unless of course you are printing very small. How do you think Joyce Tenneson crops a 30x40 polaroid? oops you can't. So as I said before IF YOU FIND YOUR SELF CROPPING OFTEN then something is wrong in how you are acquiring your images. It how I was trained by more then a few of the very best shooters to ever live and it how I choose to shoot. Cropping only when there is no other option for the myriad of reason that could be.On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM, karl shah-jenner <shahjen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
And you again have missed theWhy is that Randy?
point entirely in that FRAMING IS NOT CROPPING.
I can see a whole world in front of me..
I grab a lens then move back or forward - sure I'm changing perspective, but I'm also cropping out some stuff. Let's say I am using mah ol' 8x10 and I switch to a 35mm camera - that alone is cropping, snapped from the same spot, the little bit of 35mm film could be popped over the neg from the 8x10 and it'd be obvious it's a cropped portion of the same scene. Project that onto an enlarger baseboard and arrange the paper and I can crop yet again.
it's all cropping in name or not, whether I zoom about, change lenses, move in or out, rotate the camera..
as to conventions of aspect rations, as you say the East differs from the West in their views of right and wrong. Some folks like my 'portraits' of subjects normally rendered as landscapes, others shake their heads, disturbed, and say it should have been a landscape and tell me you only photograph PEOPLE in portrait. In that case I chose to fram/crop the scene a different way. Mr David Vestal had a nice example of this in a very narrow crop of tree in a street, it looked good. Others didn't like it. Tastes are not universal.
