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> From: <fotofx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:28:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
> <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Would you give away a print to a prospective client?
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> I agree witht the majority of your post so far. I have also used images for
> barter with airshow pilots too. But those I do not consider freebies. Those
> are usually a TFP (trade for prints). Most of the time I could not afford the
> costs to do air-to-air work if I have to pay a commercial pilot and hire an
> aircraft. It has also gotten me good access for some events. As you are well
> aware access is usually the key.
> 
> 
> But I dont really understand the retail store analogy. I have tried to foster
> my creative expertise instead of my price to get work. It has often been tough
> when a PE says that his multigazillion $ org won't cough up the cost of an
> assistant when the shoot clearly calls for one. I had an editor tell me to my
> face that they will not pay for a photo assistant. Then I showed her an
> invoice from the year before where they paid one of my business partners for
> that very line item!!!
> 
> It's still all over the map everyday, so who know what will happen tomorrow. I
> can stand the heat becuase I stick to my guns when bad business comes my way.
> But somebody is going to say yes. I really do think that the photo schools
> should have a business 101 course in the very first semester. Some do, most do
> not. And it needs to be drilled into the art students first. Before you make
> any deal make sure that it benefits you directly.
> 
> Now I am going to go and watch some TV, my BP is getting too high.
> 
> Also I would like to apologize if I have offended anyone specifically Mr.
> Shapiro it was un intended. I value his input just like any one and have
> learned much lerking wihen he responds on this list.
> 
> Les
> 


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