Bob, >>>Nah, you were right first time - they were just records. It took no creativity to make them, just observation and skill.<<<<<< Observation and skill are required to be an artist. You have to see to reveal. You have to develop skill to render your observations onto canvas or paper. As it turns out, some of the very early oils done by famous artists of the Sixteen and Seventeen hundreds used parabolic (a fascinating new technology at the time) mirrors to display (bounce) an image of their subject onto the canvas and they simply traced the outlines and added color. As disappointing as that may be, these same images now hang in the most prestigious galleries in the world. They are considered to be fine art by virtually everyone... and it is doubtful that will never change. There are as many forms of art as there are opinions about the subject and this diffusion of perception of "what is" has become merely one small part of the joy of being an artist and totally disregards the medium, type of skills used or subject matter chosen. And I speculate, this will continue until the sun finally fails to wake up one morning. Take care, Gregory david Stempel FIREFRAMEi m a g i n g