On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:37:49 -0700, Drew wrote in message <445244DD.8040100@xxxxxxx>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:34:52 -0700, Drew wrote in message > > <445100BC.1080907@xxxxxxx>: > > > >>> ..check out sdm and sdm-terminal, if you wanna provide X logins > >over >> ssh, the user sees a menu to choose from and you should be > >able to >> "pile up the good boxes" on top of that menu listing: > >> Interesting, and I might find this useful elsewhere, but for this > >> issue I need to support console logins as well. > > > > ..and this can't? At the very least you should be able to offer > > console logins from the sdm-terminal X menu, and then there's > > offering a console menu from /etc/inittab instead of /bin/bash or > > whatever you guys use. > > I'm not sure I understand, but you seem to be suggesting a way by > which I could use a console window in X. As a base case, I have to > support somebody connecting with a vt100 and a 9600 baud modem. This > solution needs to be completely independent of X. ..yup, and I was thinking of the various ttys, on which again you offer a shell menu to choose from, instead of the usual shell prompt, any tty (except mingetty or fgetty) should do this for you, a few quick ideas: arnt@a45:~ $ apt-cache search tty |grep tty a2ps - GNU a2ps - 'Anything to PostScript' converter and pretty-printer bibclean - pretty-printer for BibTeX databases boxshade - [Biology] Pretty-printing of multiple sequence alignments brltty - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal brltty-flite - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal brltty-x11 - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal detachtty - Attach/detach from interactive processes across the network discus - Pretty version of df(1) command. dvi2tty - Previewing dvi-files on text-only devices enscript - Converts ASCII text to Postscript, HTML, RTF or Pretty-Print eskuel - A pretty PHP administration tool for MySQL databases fbgetty - A console getty with and without frame buffer capability fgetty - very small, efficient, console-only getty and login fillets-ng - puzzle game about witty fish saving the world sokoban-style fvwm-crystal - Pretty Desktop Environment based on fvwm hztty - Translates GB, Big5, zW/HZ Chinese encodings in a tty session kitty - a Qt/KDE based RSS podcast and video aggregator libemail-mime-contenttype-perl - Parse a MIME Content-Type Header libio-pty-perl - Perl module for pseudo tty IO libio-stty-perl - Interface to secure pseudo ttys libmlrisctools-smlnj - Library for parsing and pretty printing SML code libmodem-vgetty-perl - Perl module for interfacing with vgetty (Modem::Vgetty) libpty-ruby - pseudo tty interface for Ruby libpty-ruby1.6 - pseudo tty interface for Ruby 1.6.x libterm-query-perl - Subroutines that handle simple tty-based UI libxml-filter-reindent-perl - Perl module for reformatting whitespace for pretty printing XML linuxvnc - VNC server to monitor a tty lyskom-tty-client - TTY client for LysKOM mgetty - Smart Modem getty replacement mgetty-docs - Documentation Package for mgetty mgetty-fax - Faxing tools for mgetty mgetty-pvftools - Programs for listening and manipulating pvf and rmd files mgetty-viewfax - Program for displaying Group-3 Fax files under X mgetty-voice - Voicemail handler for mgetty mingetty - Console-only getty mp - pretty-printer for email messages and other text files muttprint - Pretty printing of mails owl - A curses-based tty Zephyr client. pretzel - Prettyprinter generator for noweb putty - Telnet/SSH client for X putty-tools - command-line tools for SSH, SCP, and SFTP rungetty - minimal console getty that can run any process trueprint - pretty printing of source code ttv - tty TV application ttyd - Remote Modem Utility for Unix ttylog - serial port logger ttyrec - A tty recorder ttysnoop - TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections zope-atcontenttypes - archetypes-based replacement for Plone/CMF types arnt@a45:~ $ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case.