Andrew, Mark is on to something here and it has everything to do with how a company shapes consumer perception of its product over a period of time as the product is deployed into the market. The fact is, that, when is comes to marketing, few corporations can be accused of intellectual honesty about their products 100% of the time. Nokia is no exception, and certainly not a paragon of perfection in this respect. I have to agree with Mark that, implicitly, Nokia misleads the public to the extent that it markets the IT's along side of its other mass market mobile phone devices if, in fact, the IT's are a work in progress (I agree, they are, unfortunately) that will take 5 generations and a few more years to get the product ready for the mass market. Nokia management might want to consider to either a) cut loose the exec who made the arrogant assertion, foot-in-mouth style that it will take Nokia 5 generations to have a mass market ready product (as if we are dealing with some sort of rocket science here, that takes years to get it right, which we are not), or, if Nokia management in fact, agrees with the truth of that assertion, then b) cut loose the exec who approved the mass market oriented www content for the IT's in the first place Setting the issue of the Nokia exec's own assertion of IT mass market un-readiness aside for the moment, I found some data from Amazon.com in favor of the IT consumer perceived quality (where quality is measured by whether or not the product meets the customer's expectations) among actual and, most assuredly, non-mass market users (lets call them early adopters/techno-pioneers). Here are the data N800 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 172 N810 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 93 I would say 4 out of 5 is a good score with some room for improvement. On the other hand I offer the following empirical observations that suggests that even if the Nokia marketing www site/literature for the IT is NOT misleading, then, at least, it has failed, big time, to ignite the market for the IT, in my geographic area at least. This is an area with over 1 million people of all levels of social/business/economic standing who carry all sorts of mobile devices, and who have done so for a long time. We even have a President who is local and who serves as a priceless marketing icon for RIM/Blackberry at no cost to RIM. Over a period of three years, I can count on one finger the number of individuals besides myself that I have actually seen (not in a video, e.g. XOHM WIMAX Launch) carrying/using an IT, and that one person I did see, I know, for sure, is a technogeek/techno-pioneer, and not your average user. Just today I introduced the N800 IT to yet another tech savvy individual who asked me "what is that thing you have?" The takeaway from this observation is that, in this geographic market, at least, the consumer "ain't buying" the benefits that Nokia has asserted for the IT product family. Time to bring on Gen4 and Gen5 I guess. Maybe by the time WIMAX and/or LTE are widely deployed in the world's mobile infrastructures the IT will catch up to the market. Nokia shareholders must hope so. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Andrew Flegg wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Mark <wolfmane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Andrew Flegg <andrew@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> For all their flaws, I'm not aware of Nokia saying you could do something >>> which you actually couldn't >>> >> The fundamental problem is that you are *deliberately* unaware because >> you refuse to accept reality. Like G.W. Bush and a slew of others, no >> amount of obvious fact will deter you from believing what you want to >> believe. >> > > I'm trying to turn a flaming trollfest into something more > constructive. Instead of calling me names, can you actually respond to > my question: what has Nokia advertised that you can do on the device, > that you can only do by opening X Terminal, fiddling with > configuration files etc? > > The device may be well suited to hackers, but - as far as I can tell - > it meets its stated goals adequately without having to resort to such > things. A number of times in this thread, people have said "you have > to be a hacker to do anything with it and Nokia don't advertise that". > What did Nokia advertise that you've got to be a hacker to do? > > Cheers, > > Andrew > > _______________________________________________ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@xxxxxxxxx https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users