I am a very savy computer user. Started in Dos 3.3, wrote programs in Basic on and apple 2, worked my way thru windows and now have a job supporting Mac laptops for a school... so a fair amount of "bike experience". My geek desk has various desktops ranging from Windows 2000 - Vista, a desktop with an idle version of Linux, Mac laptops with OS X (unix based OS) that run VM Ware with Linux or Windows, an ipod touch, and of course, the n810. I make web sites and am trying to learn php and mysql, tried working with perl a bit but never caught on. Comparing the Nokia n8*0 to a computer is more like comparing a unicycle to a bike... or a walmart special to Lance Armstrong's bike. The Nokia bike does have a wheel, does have pedals, and can be ridden straight out of the box. In the hands of a pro, the bike can be easily fixed and worked on, but in the hands of joe average, there is nothing straight forward. Joe average thinks they need a wrench to fix the problem, well the wrench is not in numeric sizes, you have wrench size $ or size ( or size @ and also size %, and they all look the same size yet do different things. To break up the real problems here, its Windows vs Linux all over again. Nokia is a linux box. Anyone who knows about linux is fine with that and makes the device sing. Anyone from a Windows world, where you just click on an icon and things go, have problems. Sure there are prebundled apps that do this, and there is a wonderful selection of more apps available, but too many things want the CLI and that is where you lose any non-Linus person and the frustrations begin. I would love the mapping software to do more, and if I can CLI a script, then it will but I do not know the 1st thing about scripting and neither does the average computer user. We are in the point and click era of computers. What separates the normal users from power users or super users is the CLI. I got the device as a novelty more than a tool. I picked it for the GPS ability and thought that it would be able to do "palm" type operations. I knew it was not a phone from the get go and actually make fun of the marketing people that try to promote skype as a communications alternative to it not being a phone... compare it to the 2 tin cans and a string. I was also disappointed in the camera but have a nokia phone and it is as crappy on the phone as it is on the n810, but I did not buy it to be a camera so anything it does there is fine. I did sit down and get skype to talk to my desktop, was very not impressed, and that app has not been opened since. I have my n810 working fine but it sits on the desk and gets used maybe once a week or so. The GPS is on for trips and I keep notes in it for trips to the store, but really there is nothing on it that I depend on. Email is setup to check 5 accounts, not that many book marks, I will browse the web to test my websites, maybe I need the calendar to know what day it is. I continue to turn it on and hope that I will find that one thing that will make it stand out over the other devices, the GPS is that feature but I take a trip once every few months where I can use it (assuming I stay on the plan and download the right maps; I have driven off into the black zone a few times). -- Scott _______________________________________________ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@xxxxxxxxx https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users