Bill, I guess that rings the old memory bell. If I didn't like yum as much as I do, I might very well revamp my new machine to use Arch or Debian. (you may remember that I chose Fedora last spring because of your speakup-modified version of 17 coming out.) What would I have to know to "get with upstream and make it happen"? Al On 03/29/2013 12:15 PM, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1 303 722 7209 wrote: > What they said, in essence, was that they weren't interested in turning > on Speakup until it was out of staging . I was rather rudely encouraged > to get with upstream and make it happen. > >