That is an old box. We bought ones faster than that 3 years ago. I even looked at a consumer grade box that old 2 years ago for my own purchase for a home box. It was really fast then and I didn't want to spend the money. You have to keep in mind that just because something is new as in a new purchase from an OEM does not at all mean that it is new technology. On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote: > So you have these bleeding edge computers yet for some reason, you insist > they're typical? For the record, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' on my department's new > Dell PCs says this: > model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz > > Its a quad core Intel machine just a few months old. I would suggest that its > your experience that is atypical, not mine. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pia" <pmikeal at comcast.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup > > >> Hi John, >> >> Does your computer have an i7 CPU or equivalent or is it an earlier >> generation? Specifically, the newest computer motherboards are being >> manufactured with no serial ports, headers or otherwise. We order Dells >> too and build our own. Usually we buy our motherboards from New Egg and >> we are nit picky about each spec and so I guarantee that what I am saying >> is accurate. I would argue that perhaps since you work for the math >> department, you may not have the same demand for the bleeding edge like we >> do in Structural Biology where we need to look at 3D models of viruses and >> other small things in great detail. We love your University's job >> distribution system named Condor BTW, thank you! :) Keep in mind though, >> that the i7 will go from scientific number crunching geek, or gamer >> technology to the norm in about a year or so. Therefore, motherboards >> lacking a serial port are already here and coming down the pike quickly >> for those who don't already have them. >> >> Regards, >> >> Pia >> >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote: >> >>> Dude, my computer is not old. I work for the University of Wisconsin >>> Department of Mathematics and we order 30 to 40 new desktops a year. Every >>> one of them has had a serial port. Every single one. True, we order >>> exclusively from Dell. So maybe Dell is a cut above wherever you get your >>> computers from. But I recently built my own PC from parts I ordered from >>> newegg and the mobo I bought has a serial port. >>> >>> Since you're building your own PCs, you might try double checking the >>> specs >>> on the motherboard. It may have a serial port header block but no external >>> connection. If so, then you just need an adapter to go from the header >>> block >>> to the case. If you're building your own PCs, why don't you just order >>> mobos >>> with external serial ports? Or at least make sure it has a serial port >>> header >>> block and you can install the adapter just in the machines where you need >>> a >>> serial port. >>> >>> From: "Pia" <pmikeal at comcast.net> >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup >>> >>> >>>> Totally agreed with you about the need for early boot messages to be >>>> spoken. Your statement about most boxen having serial ports is incorrect >>>> though. At work we mostly order new Workstations with Cor i7 CPUs or >>>> build them ourselves with similar specs. None and I mean none of the >>>> motherboards have serial ports at all. If your computer does have a >>>> serial port it is getting pretty old, it has an added serial card in an >>>> expansion slot, or it is a server. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Pia >>>> >>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, perhaps its a minor point but plenty of modern computers have >>>>> serial >>>>> ports. I've never seen a server that didn't have a serial port. In fact, >>>>> except for laptops, I have yet to see a computer that doesn't have a >>>>> serial >>>>> port. That includes the 200 or so desktop units we have where I work. >>>>> Even >>>>> the machine I built myself has a serial port. >>>>> >>>>> It certainly is a huge over statement to say that having speakup in the >>>>> kernel has no advantage. If you manage servers like I do, having >>>>> speakup >>>>> in >>>>> the kernel is just about the most important thing there is for a screen >>>>> reader. I don't really care that much about what happens after the >>>>> machine >>>>> is >>>>> booted. About the only time I need a run time screen reader is if >>>>> something >>>>> is wrong with networking. But mostly, I can admin these machines >>>>> remotely >>>>> after they boot. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Astrope" >>>>> <astrope at tabbweb.com> >>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>>>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:09 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Samuel, do you mean there is no kernel convention for accessing serial >>>>> ports or there is no speakup support for accessing serial ports >>>>> according >>>>> to kernel conventions? >>>>> >>>>> It would be really great if speakup could use ttyS# devices, so speakup >>>>> would work with modern motherboards that do not have built-in serial >>>>> ports. The way I see it is speakup can only use software speech on >>>>> modern >>>>> computers, so unless it can access external serial ports or usb serial >>>>> ports, there really is no advantage to speakup being in the kernel so >>>>> far >>>>> as I can tell... >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bill Cox, le Tue 09 Feb 2010 14:23:25 -0500, a ?crit : >>>>>>> I hear that it doesn't follow kernel >>>>>>> programming conventions, for example in how it interfaces to the COM >>>>>>> ports. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, because no such thing exists (yet). >>>>>> >>>>>> Samuel >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
