Well, perhaps its a minor point but plenty of modern computers have serial ports. I've never seen a server that didn't have a serial port. In fact, except for laptops, I have yet to see a computer that doesn't have a serial port. That includes the 200 or so desktop units we have where I work. Even the machine I built myself has a serial port. It certainly is a huge over statement to say that having speakup in the kernel has no advantage. If you manage servers like I do, having speakup in the kernel is just about the most important thing there is for a screen reader. I don't really care that much about what happens after the machine is booted. About the only time I need a run time screen reader is if something is wrong with networking. But mostly, I can admin these machines remotely after they boot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Astrope" <astrope@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup Samuel, do you mean there is no kernel convention for accessing serial ports or there is no speakup support for accessing serial ports according to kernel conventions? It would be really great if speakup could use ttyS# devices, so speakup would work with modern motherboards that do not have built-in serial ports. The way I see it is speakup can only use software speech on modern computers, so unless it can access external serial ports or usb serial ports, there really is no advantage to speakup being in the kernel so far as I can tell... On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Bill Cox, le Tue 09 Feb 2010 14:23:25 -0500, a ?crit : >> I hear that it doesn't follow kernel >> programming conventions, for example in how it interfaces to the COM >> ports. > > Yes, because no such thing exists (yet). > > Samuel > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >