That is ture, well let me know if ther is anything else I should be aware of. I will be in contact with Marco soon. When you say you arrow and tab, you mean by speech or braille? On May 28, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Darragh wrote: > Hay again Cody, > > Yes. SBL will work after OpenSuSE, Sles and Sled are installed. > > Yast in my opinion is one of the best tools out there for an admin. > Ok. You have much more power over things when your using the conf > files directly but because you have most options available depending > on the package your using and the availability of a yast > administration module, you can get in and make changes very > quickly. I know from experience that this is a great way to get > things up and running very quickly. I'm taking part in the build of > a new Domino server at the moment and I would be lost without Yast. > It would simply take me too long to get around every configuration > file to make the simple changes. With yast, I just go down to system > services, tab across, go down tothe one I want and start configuring. > > Granted, accessibility is not great but it's constantly improving. > Although I think Novell have a lot to do, lets not completely > discredit them. After all, their trying and this is obvious with > every release. > All be it, hard to see sometimes. > > > Darragh > www.digitaldarragh.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >> Sent: 28 May 2008 21:46 >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >> >> Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so >> I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of >> its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year >> because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky >> package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never >> to >> use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about >> accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware >> course. >> >> HTH >> Cody >> On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these >> days? >>> I've not tried it for a long time. >>> /Kristoffer >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" >> <churst35 at verizon.net> >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM >>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >>> >>> >>>> Hey Darragh, >>>> >>>> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and >>>> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am >>>> not having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 >>>> days until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be >>>> renting a braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not >>>> detected automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to >>>> seek more information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just >>>> have had no luck with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful >>>> much either, but now I will email marco to see if he can be of >>>> some use in my findings. I am not a programmer but I certainly >>>> envy those who are. Math has never been my strong point so I will >>>> try to use what I have available to me. If you know, will sbl work >>>> even after suse is installed? >>>> >>>> Thanks for all help >>>> Cody >>>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hay Cody, >>>>> >>>>> There's a few questions to get to there. >>>>> >>>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is >>>>> managed by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille >>>>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a >>>>> lot of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the >>>>> easiest thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult, >>>>> but the documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists >>>>> at all! This is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons >>>>> for this were outlined in my previous mail. >>>>> >>>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or >>>>> their variants. However, have written some instructions for >>>>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at >> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp >>>>> Look for the link on that page somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work >>>>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however >>>>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You >>>>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and >>>>> contact him directly. He's always very helpful. There's is also >>>>> an SBL mailing list but it's very low traffic. >>>>> >>>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of >>>>> discussion lists there. >>>>> >>>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active >>>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version >>>>> 11 I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or >> bryen at suserocks.com >>>>> or something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you >>>>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running >>>>> out the door to work. >>>>> >>>>> Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go >>>>> through an installation and write them out for you. I should get >>>>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you. >>>>> It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the >>>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, >>>>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember >>>>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then >>>>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior >>>>> screens. >>>>> >>>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead >>>>> I try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. >>>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it >>>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the >>>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available. >>>>> >>>>> Make sense? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Darragh >>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 >>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >>>>>> >>>>>> Darragh, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I >>>>>> will >>>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use >>>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you >>>>>> would, and >>>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of >>>>>> what >>>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot >>>>>> commands, >>>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I >> will >>>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on >> a >>>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next >>>>>> year. >>>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its >>>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. >>>>>> I am >>>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course >>>>>> wasn't >>>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other >>>>>> foundations >>>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water >>>>>> into >>>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility >>>>>> soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world >>>>>> blinux >>>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or >>>>>> use it? >>>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once >>>>>> goten >>>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have >>>>>> no >>>>>> gotten any responses. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this >>>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these >>>>>> issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch >>>>>> with him. >>>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Cody, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of >>>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the >>>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because >>>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just >> don't >>>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full >>>>>>> time. >>>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent >>>>>>> developer. >>>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so >> his >>>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses >>>>>>> versions. >>>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based >> version >>>>>>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different >>>>>>> controls for it to handle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and >>>>>>> bounds >>>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in >>>>>>> 10.3 >>>>>>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was >> not >>>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been >>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> pushed forward to 11. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of >> the >>>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although >> I'm >>>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of >>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Darragh >>>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 >>>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello list, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, >> towards >>>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd >>>>>>>> set he >>>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were >>>>>>>> loading >>>>>>>> braille modules. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and >> when >>>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only >>>>>>>> option >>>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be >>>>>>>> included >>>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not >>>>>>>> be just >>>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS >>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these >>>>>> individuals. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
