If you follow my instructions for installing Speakup on http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp you'll get reasonable audio feedback when your in yast. Of course, the GTK+ version of Yast should improve with time so in the next version, who knows, you may actually be able to use that just as easily. Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > Sent: 29 May 2008 01:31 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > > That is ture, well let me know if ther is anything else I should be > aware of. I will be in contact with Marco soon. > When you say you arrow and tab, you mean by speech or braille? > > On May 28, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Darragh wrote: > > > Hay again Cody, > > > > Yes. SBL will work after OpenSuSE, Sles and Sled are installed. > > > > Yast in my opinion is one of the best tools out there for an admin. > > Ok. You have much more power over things when your using the conf > > files directly but because you have most options available depending > > on the package your using and the availability of a yast > > administration module, you can get in and make changes very > > quickly. I know from experience that this is a great way to get > > things up and running very quickly. I'm taking part in the build of > > a new Domino server at the moment and I would be lost without Yast. > > It would simply take me too long to get around every configuration > > file to make the simple changes. With yast, I just go down to system > > services, tab across, go down tothe one I want and start configuring. > > > > Granted, accessibility is not great but it's constantly improving. > > Although I think Novell have a lot to do, lets not completely > > discredit them. After all, their trying and this is obvious with > > every release. > > All be it, hard to see sometimes. > > > > > > Darragh > > www.digitaldarragh.com > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > >> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > >> Sent: 28 May 2008 21:46 > >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > >> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > >> > >> Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or > so > >> I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of > >> its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year > >> because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky > >> package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never > >> to > >> use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about > >> accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware > >> course. > >> > >> HTH > >> Cody > >> On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: > >> > >>> Hello! > >>> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these > >> days? > >>> I've not tried it for a long time. > >>> /Kristoffer > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" > >> <churst35 at verizon.net> > >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > >> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >>>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM > >>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hey Darragh, > >>>> > >>>> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and > >>>> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am > >>>> not having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course > 2 > >>>> days until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be > >>>> renting a braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not > >>>> detected automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance > to > >>>> seek more information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just > >>>> have had no luck with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful > >>>> much either, but now I will email marco to see if he can be of > >>>> some use in my findings. I am not a programmer but I certainly > >>>> envy those who are. Math has never been my strong point so I will > >>>> try to use what I have available to me. If you know, will sbl > work > >>>> even after suse is installed? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for all help > >>>> Cody > >>>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hay Cody, > >>>>> > >>>>> There's a few questions to get to there. > >>>>> > >>>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is > >>>>> managed by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille > >>>>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a > >>>>> lot of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the > >>>>> easiest thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult, > >>>>> but the documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists > >>>>> at all! This is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons > >>>>> for this were outlined in my previous mail. > >>>>> > >>>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or > >>>>> their variants. However, have written some instructions for > >>>>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at > >> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp > >>>>> Look for the link on that page somewhere. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work > >>>>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however > >>>>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You > >>>>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and > >>>>> contact him directly. He's always very helpful. There's is > also > >>>>> an SBL mailing list but it's very low traffic. > >>>>> > >>>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of > >>>>> discussion lists there. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active > >>>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version > >>>>> 11 I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or > >> bryen at suserocks.com > >>>>> or something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you > >>>>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running > >>>>> out the door to work. > >>>>> > >>>>> Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go > >>>>> through an installation and write them out for you. I should get > >>>>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you. > >>>>> It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the > >>>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, > >>>>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember > >>>>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then > >>>>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior > >>>>> screens. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility > instead > >>>>> I try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. > >>>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it > >>>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the > >>>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available. > >>>>> > >>>>> Make sense? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Darragh > >>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com > >>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > >>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > >>>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 > >>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > >>>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Darragh, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I > >>>>>> will > >>>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use > >>>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you > >>>>>> would, and > >>>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of > >>>>>> what > >>>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot > >>>>>> commands, > >>>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I > >> will > >>>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be > on > >> a > >>>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next > >>>>>> year. > >>>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its > >>>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and > confusing. > >>>>>> I am > >>>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course > >>>>>> wasn't > >>>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other > >>>>>> foundations > >>>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water > >>>>>> into > >>>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility > >>>>>> soon. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world > >>>>>> blinux > >>>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or > >>>>>> use it? > >>>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once > >>>>>> goten > >>>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I > have > >>>>>> no > >>>>>> gotten any responses. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this > >>>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these > >>>>>> issues. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch > >>>>>> with him. > >>>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cody, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation > of > >>>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the > >>>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and > >>>>>>> even > >>>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because > >>>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just > >> don't > >>>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full > >>>>>>> time. > >>>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent > >>>>>>> developer. > >>>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so > >> his > >>>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses > >>>>>>> versions. > >>>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based > >> version > >>>>>>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of > different > >>>>>>> controls for it to handle. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and > >>>>>>> bounds > >>>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in > >>>>>>> 10.3 > >>>>>>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was > >> not > >>>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors > in > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been > >>>>>>> fixed > >>>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have > >>>>>>> been > >>>>>>> pushed forward to 11. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of > >> the > >>>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although > >> I'm > >>>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot > of > >>>>>>> problems. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Darragh > >>>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- > >>>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst > >>>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 > >>>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > >>>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello list, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, > >> towards > >>>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd > >>>>>>>> set he > >>>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were > >>>>>>>> loading > >>>>>>>> braille modules. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and > >> when > >>>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only > >>>>>>>> option > >>>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be > >>>>>>>> included > >>>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not > >>>>>>>> be just > >>>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS > >>>>>>>> in the > >>>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these > >>>>>> individuals. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can > >>>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cody > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >>>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Speakup mailing list > >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Speakup mailing list > >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
