Hey Darragh, I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am not having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 days until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be renting a braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not detected automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to seek more information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just have had no luck with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful much either, but now I will email marco to see if he can be of some use in my findings. I am not a programmer but I certainly envy those who are. Math has never been my strong point so I will try to use what I have available to me. If you know, will sbl work even after suse is installed? Thanks for all help Cody On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote: > Hay Cody, > > There's a few questions to get to there. > > Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is > managed by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille > however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a lot > of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the easiest > thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult, but the > documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists at all! This > is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons for this were > outlined in my previous mail. > > Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or > their variants. However, have written some instructions for > getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp > Look for the link on that page somewhere. > > If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work > very nicely for you right from the start of installation however > you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You > could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and contact > him directly. He's always very helpful. There's is also an SBL > mailing list but it's very low traffic. > > Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of > discussion lists there. > > Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active > around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version > 11 I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or bryen at suserocks.com > or something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you > out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running out > the door to work. > > Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go > through an installation and write them out for you. I should get > time in a week or two if that's ok for you. > It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the > first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, > the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember > what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then > try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior > screens. > > I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead I > try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. > I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it > instead of finding something to do that is possible with the > limitations of the assistive technology I have available. > > Make sense? > > > Darragh > www.digitaldarragh.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >> >> Darragh, >> >> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I will >> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use >> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you would, >> and >> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of what >> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot >> commands, >> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will >> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a >> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year. >> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its >> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. I >> am >> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course wasn't >> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other >> foundations >> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water into >> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon. >> >> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world blinux >> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or use >> it? >> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once >> goten >> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have no >> gotten any responses. >> >> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this >> information, since you would know more than I have, which these >> issues. >> >> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? >> >> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch with >> him. >> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: >> >>> Cody, >>> >>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of >>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. >>> >>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the >>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and even >>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because >>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't >>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing they >>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full time. >>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer. >>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his >>> efferts do not reflect the end result. >>> >>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses versions. >>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version >>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different >>> controls for it to handle. >>> >>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and bounds >>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in 10.3 >>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was not >>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in it >>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been fixed >>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been >>> pushed forward to 11. >>> >>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the >>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm >>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of >>> problems. >>> >>> >>> Sorry I cant be more positive. >>> >>> >>> >>> Darragh >>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 >>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>> Subject: installation of suse linux >>>> >>>> Hello list, >>>> >>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards >>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the >>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd set he >>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading >>>> braille modules. >>>> >>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when >>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only >>>> option >>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be included >>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not be >>>> just >>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS in >>>> the >>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these >> individuals. >>>> >>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do >>>> otherwise if this is not possible. >>>> >>>> Cody >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
