Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never to use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware course. HTH Cody On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: > Hello! > What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these days? > I've not tried it for a long time. > /Kristoffer > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35 at verizon.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM > Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > > >> Hey Darragh, >> >> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and >> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am >> not having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 >> days until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be >> renting a braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not >> detected automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to >> seek more information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just >> have had no luck with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful >> much either, but now I will email marco to see if he can be of >> some use in my findings. I am not a programmer but I certainly >> envy those who are. Math has never been my strong point so I will >> try to use what I have available to me. If you know, will sbl work >> even after suse is installed? >> >> Thanks for all help >> Cody >> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote: >> >>> Hay Cody, >>> >>> There's a few questions to get to there. >>> >>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is >>> managed by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille >>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a >>> lot of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the >>> easiest thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult, >>> but the documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists >>> at all! This is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons >>> for this were outlined in my previous mail. >>> >>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or >>> their variants. However, have written some instructions for >>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp >>> Look for the link on that page somewhere. >>> >>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work >>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however >>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You >>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and >>> contact him directly. He's always very helpful. There's is also >>> an SBL mailing list but it's very low traffic. >>> >>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of >>> discussion lists there. >>> >>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active >>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version >>> 11 I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or bryen at suserocks.com >>> or something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you >>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running >>> out the door to work. >>> >>> Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go >>> through an installation and write them out for you. I should get >>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you. >>> It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the >>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, >>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember >>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then >>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior >>> screens. >>> >>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead >>> I try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. >>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it >>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the >>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available. >>> >>> Make sense? >>> >>> >>> Darragh >>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 >>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >>>> >>>> Darragh, >>>> >>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I >>>> will >>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use >>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you >>>> would, and >>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of >>>> what >>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot >>>> commands, >>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will >>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a >>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year. >>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its >>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. >>>> I am >>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course >>>> wasn't >>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other >>>> foundations >>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water >>>> into >>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon. >>>> >>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world >>>> blinux >>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or >>>> use it? >>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once >>>> goten >>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have >>>> no >>>> gotten any responses. >>>> >>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this >>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these >>>> issues. >>>> >>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch >>>> with him. >>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cody, >>>>> >>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of >>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. >>>>> >>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the >>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and >>>>> even >>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because >>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't >>>>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing >>>>> they >>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full >>>>> time. >>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer. >>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his >>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result. >>>>> >>>>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses >>>>> versions. >>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version >>>>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different >>>>> controls for it to handle. >>>>> >>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and >>>>> bounds >>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in >>>>> 10.3 >>>>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was not >>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in >>>>> it >>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been fixed >>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been >>>>> pushed forward to 11. >>>>> >>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the >>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm >>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of >>>>> problems. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Darragh >>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 >>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello list, >>>>>> >>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards >>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the >>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd >>>>>> set he >>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading >>>>>> braille modules. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when >>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only >>>>>> option >>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be >>>>>> included >>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not >>>>>> be just >>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS >>>>>> in the >>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these >>>> individuals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do >>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cody >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
