Hello! When I used suse linux, yast and yast2 worked well with suse blinux, but when I tried it with brltty. no, not good at all. I've got an old computer still with suse linux 7.2 installed, but can't use it, I've lost that braille display I used with it. Now these days I prefer debian, I don't want to go back to suse again, I think. /Kristoffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so I > thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of its > resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year because it > is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky package manager > called yast, which is another reason I choose never to use suse. Novell > is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about accessibility. It was a > struggle going through my novell netware course. > > HTH > Cody > On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote: > >> Hello! >> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these days? >> I've not tried it for a long time. >> /Kristoffer >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35 at verizon.net> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM >> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >> >> >>> Hey Darragh, >>> >>> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and not >>> live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am not >>> having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 days >>> until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be renting a >>> braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not detected >>> automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to seek more >>> information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just have had no luck >>> with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful much either, but now >>> I will email marco to see if he can be of some use in my findings. I >>> am not a programmer but I certainly envy those who are. Math has never >>> been my strong point so I will try to use what I have available to me. >>> If you know, will sbl work even after suse is installed? >>> >>> Thanks for all help >>> Cody >>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote: >>> >>>> Hay Cody, >>>> >>>> There's a few questions to get to there. >>>> >>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is >>>> managed by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille however >>>> he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a lot of the >>>> SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the easiest thing in >>>> theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult, but the documentation >>>> is very hard to come by if it even exists at all! This is certainly >>>> no reflection on Marco and the reasons for this were outlined in my >>>> previous mail. >>>> >>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or their >>>> variants. However, have written some instructions for getting >>>> Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at >>>> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp Look for the link on that page >>>> somewhere. >>>> >>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work very >>>> nicely for you right from the start of installation however you'll >>>> need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You could also >>>> search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and contact him >>>> directly. He's always very helpful. There's is also an SBL mailing >>>> list but it's very low traffic. >>>> >>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of >>>> discussion lists there. >>>> >>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active >>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version 11 >>>> I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or bryen at suserocks.com >>>> or something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you out >>>> there. Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running out the >>>> door to work. >>>> >>>> Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go through >>>> an installation and write them out for you. I should get time in a >>>> week or two if that's ok for you. >>>> It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the >>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, the >>>> third is start install with safe options and I cant remember what the >>>> rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then try using the >>>> alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior screens. >>>> >>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead I >>>> try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. >>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it >>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the >>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available. >>>> >>>> Make sense? >>>> >>>> >>>> Darragh >>>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 >>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >>>>> >>>>> Darragh, >>>>> >>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I will >>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use >>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you would, >>>>> and >>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of what >>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot >>>>> commands, >>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will >>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a >>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year. >>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its >>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. I >>>>> am >>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course wasn't >>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other >>>>> foundations >>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water into >>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon. >>>>> >>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world blinux >>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or use >>>>> it? >>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once >>>>> goten >>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have no >>>>> gotten any responses. >>>>> >>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this >>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these >>>>> issues. >>>>> >>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch with >>>>> him. >>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Cody, >>>>>> >>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of >>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. >>>>>> >>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the >>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and even >>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because >>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't >>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing they >>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full time. >>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer. >>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his >>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses versions. >>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version >>>>>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different >>>>>> controls for it to handle. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and bounds >>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in 10.3 >>>>>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was not >>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in it >>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been fixed >>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been >>>>>> pushed forward to 11. >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the >>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm >>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of >>>>>> problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Darragh >>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 >>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello list, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards >>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the >>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd set he >>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading >>>>>>> braille modules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when >>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only >>>>>>> option >>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be included >>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not be >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these >>>>> individuals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do >>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
