Hello! What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these days? I've not tried it for a long time. /Kristoffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM Subject: Re: installation of suse linux > Hey Darragh, > > I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and not > live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am not having > a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 days until my > netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be renting a braille display > to run suse..my braillenote was not detected automatically. That is fine, > whenever you get a chance to seek more information for me, it's greatly > appreciated. I just have had no luck with any feedback and google hasn't > been helpful much either, but now I will email marco to see if he can be > of some use in my findings. I am not a programmer but I certainly envy > those who are. Math has never been my strong point so I will try to use > what I have available to me. If you know, will sbl work even after suse > is installed? > > Thanks for all help > Cody > On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote: > >> Hay Cody, >> >> There's a few questions to get to there. >> >> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is managed >> by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille however he's done >> some good work on incorporating speech into a lot of the SBL functions >> however getting it installed isn't the easiest thing in theworld to do. >> Wll, not that it's difficult, but the documentation is very hard to come >> by if it even exists at all! This is certainly no reflection on Marco >> and the reasons for this were outlined in my previous mail. >> >> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or their >> variants. However, have written some instructions for getting Speakup >> compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp >> Look for the link on that page somewhere. >> >> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work very >> nicely for you right from the start of installation however you'll need >> to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You could also search >> for contact details for Marco Scambrax and contact him directly. He's >> always very helpful. There's is also an SBL mailing list but it's very >> low traffic. >> >> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of discussion >> lists there. >> >> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active around >> the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version 11 I think >> his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or bryen at suserocks.com or >> something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you out there. >> Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running out the door to >> work. >> >> Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go through an >> installation and write them out for you. I should get time in a week or >> two if that's ok for you. >> It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the first >> option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, the third is >> start install with safe options and I cant remember what the rest ar. >> Go down one to start install, press enter then try using the alt and alt >> b buttons to move to the next and prior screens. >> >> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead I try >> to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work. >> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it instead >> of finding something to do that is possible with the limitations of the >> assistive technology I have available. >> >> Make sense? >> >> >> Darragh >> www.digitaldarragh.com >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16 >>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux >>> >>> Darragh, >>> >>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I will >>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use >>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you would, and >>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of what >>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot commands, >>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will >>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a >>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year. >>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its >>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. I am >>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course wasn't >>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other foundations >>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water into >>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon. >>> >>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world blinux >>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or use it? >>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once goten >>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have no >>> gotten any responses. >>> >>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this >>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these issues. >>> >>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired? >>> >>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch with him. >>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote: >>> >>>> Cody, >>>> >>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of >>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH. >>>> >>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the >>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and even >>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because >>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't >>>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing they >>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full time. >>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer. >>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his >>>> efferts do not reflect the end result. >>>> >>>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses versions. >>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version >>>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different >>>> controls for it to handle. >>>> >>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and bounds >>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in 10.3 >>>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was not >>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in it >>>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been fixed >>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been >>>> pushed forward to 11. >>>> >>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the >>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm >>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of >>>> problems. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sorry I cant be more positive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Darragh >>>> www.digitaldarragh.com >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup- >>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst >>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16 >>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux >>>>> >>>>> Hello list, >>>>> >>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards >>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the >>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd set he >>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading >>>>> braille modules. >>>>> >>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when >>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only option >>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be included >>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not be just >>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS in the >>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these >>> individuals. >>>>> >>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do >>>>> otherwise if this is not possible. >>>>> >>>>> Cody >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Speakup mailing list >>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
