Couldn't agree more. With the simplicity of speakup, its always there. Also even though orca supports gnome-terminal which can be used for command line stuff, for some reason I seem to prefer to switch to a text console and use speakup, and there are plenty of cases where I do use speakup rather than orca. Then there are those cases where orca doesn't work, what happens if my X configuration is messed up and gnome just doesn't start, etc. As for compiling a kernel, yes I have done it, but having now used ubuntu where I had no great need to compile my own kernel, I probably would prefer not to go back to compiling my own. From Michael Whapples ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Collins" <collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Speakup kernel patch dropped from Ububtu Gutsy > > To put it in language you'll understand, that stinks. Not everyone > wants to use a gui interface. There are still functions under the gui > that are not accessible. As for the argument that Speakup is not > popular, you have only to look at the number of Speakup users on this > list. As for the maintenance issue, speakup is no more difficult to > maintain than any other of the hundreds of modules that habitually are > included. The thing that makes building your own kernel more difficult > is Ubuntu's insistence on using an initrd for a standard system. All > the extra hardware discovery stuff isn't necessary once a system is > installed. Besides which, without speakup, there is no way to do a > server install, and Speakup has never been included in a manner that > would allow a blind person to do an install from a server cd. Mot to > mention the times when Orca or Gnome crashes in some fashion, and the > only way to recover things is by using Speakup from a text console. If > you really have maintenence issues, talk to Kirk and find a way to > resolve them. I think the decission to drop Speakup from Ubuntu is > extreemly short sighted. > > Gene Collins
