I agree too. I think working with speakup is faster than working with orca. There are people who like very much working on text consoles with a faster tool than working with the graphical environment. And the beginners don't know how to compile the kernel (they and I can learn, but it's more efficient to have speakup without learning to do difficult tasks). Well, if it's impossible to maintain, we'll have to live without it, but I think an important tool could not be put appart. Thanks for the attention Best regards S?rgio Neves ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mikster4@xxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Speakup kernel patch dropped from Ububtu Gutsy > Couldn't agree more. With the simplicity of speakup, its always there. > Also > even though orca supports gnome-terminal which can be used for command > line > stuff, for some reason I seem to prefer to switch to a text console and > use > speakup, and there are plenty of cases where I do use speakup rather than > orca. Then there are those cases where orca doesn't work, what happens if > my > X configuration is messed up and gnome just doesn't start, etc. > > As for compiling a kernel, yes I have done it, but having now used ubuntu > where I had no great need to compile my own kernel, I probably would > prefer > not to go back to compiling my own. > > From > Michael Whapples > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Collins" <collins at gene3.ait.iastate.edu> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: Speakup kernel patch dropped from Ububtu Gutsy > > >> >> To put it in language you'll understand, that stinks. Not everyone >> wants to use a gui interface. There are still functions under the gui >> that are not accessible. As for the argument that Speakup is not >> popular, you have only to look at the number of Speakup users on this >> list. As for the maintenance issue, speakup is no more difficult to >> maintain than any other of the hundreds of modules that habitually are >> included. The thing that makes building your own kernel more difficult >> is Ubuntu's insistence on using an initrd for a standard system. All >> the extra hardware discovery stuff isn't necessary once a system is >> installed. Besides which, without speakup, there is no way to do a >> server install, and Speakup has never been included in a manner that >> would allow a blind person to do an install from a server cd. Mot to >> mention the times when Orca or Gnome crashes in some fashion, and the >> only way to recover things is by using Speakup from a text console. If >> you really have maintenence issues, talk to Kirk and find a way to >> resolve them. I think the decission to drop Speakup from Ubuntu is >> extreemly short sighted. >> >> Gene Collins > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
