*SNIP* Oh, and don't think it's all command line. Remember, they CAN use GNOME and KDE and all the other X widget sets, unlike us. *SNIP* while I appreciate that, and the fact which I neglected to paste stating that your comments were aimed at behind the sceens ppl that should have a clue, unfortunately, and you're probably going to agree on some counts, some of those still adopt the point shoot and shit if it dies in the arse attitude. just think of the money you could earn if you were an enlightened techie out there that knew the os we have so fondly adopted and use for our day to day tasks. it's about time that people learned servers ain't gonna run too well on that other os. sure if they want major down time due to worms viri trojans and the like go right ahead but I for one don't. so my mistake in the first place but I still maintain that the end user could benifit from using GNU/Linux too hehe -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001 at hotmail.com AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun