<inline> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hinden" <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Nico Williams" <nico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "IETF" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; "Michael Richardson" <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Bob Hinden" <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx>; "Alexey Melnikov" <alexey.melnikov@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 4:29 PM Nico, > On Nov 6, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Nico Williams <nico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > ….. >> Secondly, they'd still be the authority for chartering, appointing >> WG chairs, appointing directorates, and other aspects of overseeing >> the process. Most of the duties described in RFC 2026 in fact. > > Sure, but picking good chairs now becomes essential, but finding chairs > as good as ADs will be difficult. I agree that picking good chairs is essential (it is now too), but a w.g. chair’s job is not full time. They only have to manage and review the documents in their working group. The biggest issue with finding qualified people to be ADs is that it is essentially a full time job. Finding qualified people to be w.g. chairs is easier and there is a bigger pool of qualified people because it isn’t a full time job. <tp> And yet the quality of chairs seems lacking which then puts a greater load on the ADs. A general principle of doing anything is that the earlier you fix the issue, the less expensive it is to fix so a defect that is fixed just after WG adoption will cost less effort than one that gets fixed at IESG review. I see comments from myself and others not acted on even when they are (to me) basic such as line lengths of 100+ characters which makes them hard to read; or an absence of any normative references which means I cannot tell if I should expect to understand this I-D; an IANA section that registers 'n' YANG modules when the I-D contains 'm' YANG modules where n>>m or m>>n. These tend to get fixed before IETF Last Call but less basic ones may not be; the issues were raised on the WG list and then the person raising them says 'What about the issues I raised two months ago and which are still there?' I am pointing a finger at WG Chairs who let unresolved issues run and run; that costs, everyone. And I see this in several of the WGs that I track, as well as never seeing it in others; I believe that the difference lies in the WG Chairs but all I can do is post comments to the WG List - when they are not acted on, then I am ....ed Tom Petch Bob
