On 9/15/19 7:16 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Yes, of course, but that doesn't mean that WG members need to separately > chime in on the IETF list in support or opposition of a document No, of course not, but in the event that something becomes contested on the ietf@ mailing list, people who've opted out but have strong views or particular experience don't participate in those discussions. It's very common for something to get through WG last call and then run into problems later in the process. It is, of course, completely legit not to want to participate in those discussions but not participating because someone feels they've already had their say, or they don't care about IETF consensus, or ... is not quite the same as not participating because they find the mailing list intolerable. There are myriad little ways in which we end up inadvertently excluding input based on criteria that don't have much to do with technical chops. This is one of them. It may be a price we're willing to pay in order to have free-ranging and unfettered discussions but we've never really made that decision. Melinda -- Melinda Shore melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx Software longa, hardware brevis