On 9/15/19 6:28 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 11:45 PM John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx > <mailto:john-ietf@xxxxxxx>> wrote: > However, we claim that the basis of what we do is "IETF > consensus". Today, someone who opts out of the IETF list > essentially opts out of that consensus process no matter how > active they might be in, e.g., particular WGs. > I'm not sure on what basis you make that claim, but I don't agree. The > discussion in the WG is part of the consensus proces. Yes, but we do distinguish between working group consensus and IETF consensus, and working group consensus is not sufficient to get a document published. Melinda -- Melinda Shore melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx Software longa, hardware brevis