Skickat från min iPhone > 10 sep. 2019 kl. 01:27 skrev Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > I was thinking it'd be hard to provide good examples, > but you've done that excellently. > > To whatever extent you're not proud of that 2011 mail, > I think this 2019 mail repairs lots. A fine example > that we can all live and learn, and to follow. > > Thank you, > S. Quite so. Well done & said. > >> On 10/09/2019 00:15, Bron Gondwana wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, at 08:43, Joel M. Halpern wrote: >>> Dan, you asked for specific examples of speech whose acceptability has >>> changed. >>> >>> A clear and simple example is personal attacks. It is no longer >>> acceptable (or at least, we try to make it impossible) to respond to an >>> argument by saying "you do not know what you are talking about, so we >>> should ignore your input." Other even more extreme and personal >>> comments were once accepted in this community. they are not accepted >>> any longer. >> >> Like for example this thing, which I'm not particularly proud of: >> >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/imap5/zPoaR1ezRWRs4ji9rbojXLuomFE >> >> The whole experience around there nearly turned me off the IETF entirely, largely due to things like this: >> >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/imap5/4bg3IkTTJvCAcr8aro5wCyNjZSA >> >> .... and I know Mark's not around to defend himself here, so I can only point out the flaws in my own communication style there and the missed opportunities to progress work because I was too busy butting heads. >> >> I'm sad I never got to meet Mark in person. I think a lot of the value of in-person meetings is the sitting together and looking into each other's eyes and realising that the other person isn't a moron and isn't deliberately trying to break the world! >> >> Bron. >> >> -- >> Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd >> brong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> > <0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc>
