On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, at 08:43, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
Dan, you asked for specific examples of speech whose acceptability haschanged.A clear and simple example is personal attacks. It is no longeracceptable (or at least, we try to make it impossible) to respond to anargument by saying "you do not know what you are talking about, so weshould ignore your input." Other even more extreme and personalcomments were once accepted in this community. they are not acceptedany longer.
Like for example this thing, which I'm not particularly proud of:
The whole experience around there nearly turned me off the IETF entirely, largely due to things like this:
... and I know Mark's not around to defend himself here, so I can only point out the flaws in my own communication style there and the missed opportunities to progress work because I was too busy butting heads.
I'm sad I never got to meet Mark in person. I think a lot of the value of in-person meetings is the sitting together and looking into each other's eyes and realising that the other person isn't a moron and isn't deliberately trying to break the world!
Bron.
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