> The world has evolved, and what used to be acceptable is now commonly seen as less so, and as a worthwhile trade-off for more inclusivity. You seem opposed to the IETF doing this, or do I misunderstand you? > You misunderstand me. I do not object to trying to be more inclusive, but I strongly object to imposing arbitrary, poorly-defined constraints on IETF contributions. I am sorry if I was not clear. I am saying "we are choosing to do A in order to get B" You are saying "I want B without A" So, like Paul asked: how do you propose to get B without A?