> On Sep 3, 2019, at 9:14 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > It's also been the case that some very capable new people have shown > up, looked at the organization, and decided to take their work > elsewhere. We're also looking at why that happens, because those > people were potential future leaders, as well. I’ve often looked at this (and other industry locations) scratching my head going: why would any person who isn’t a masochist come here and try to do work. I’ve observed people being chased away, both those that might be trolls, but also people who are just coming to ask a series of questions to expand their knowledge. It’s getting late here today for me personally, but how do you even go about digesting the threads today on ietf@? I think the most valuable e-mail was actually the one (which nobody replied to) asking (and I think it was possibly begging) to take the IETF LC discussion to another list. Be someone who makes the IETF welcoming to new people. Digesting the e-mail list today is more of an example of what I describe as the culture of cheap communications.. I started out with UUCP for e-mail and thought went into long-distance communication as it was expensive. Now we have instant communication at a cost that drops on a per-bit basis each year (or stays flat based on the economics of customer acquisition and record keeping). Just because you can send communication doesn’t mean you should, or it’s the most welcoming. People will argue with me about if we should be friendly, direct (sometimes bordering on rude) or otherwise, but with a whole set of communication, SAA, Tone, etc.. consider now how it will be seen today but in the archive to a newcomer who has a great idea where the IETF is the place it should be done. - Jared
