On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:19 PM Eric Gray <eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I also tend to agree, sadly. But with a qualification: valuable people are not typically locked in to working for employers that cannot afford to pay them to do this sort of work, if they want to do it and have value to add.
[MB] As an independent consultant, I paid my own way to IETF for several years. The work I did in IETF was relevant to the work I was doing elsewhere for my customers, but startups often don't have the money to pay all these travel expenses nor do governments. My time was covered when I was spending time directly in WGs, on drafts, etc, that were related, but I got no travel reimbursement. For those that have gotten a full ride from an employer while participating in IETF, I don't think you're in a position to make judgements as to the value or qualifications of those that pay their own way. Indeed, you should be thanking us for effectively working for free for "the good of the Internet." [/MB]
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 2:44 PM
To: Fernando Gont <fgont@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Eric Gray <eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: We gotta stop meeting like this
Importance: High
On 7/23/19 2:10 PM, Fernando Gont wrote:
> On 23/7/19 16:18, Eric Gray wrote:
>> Look at the impact of near-zero cost mailing (in the form of E-Mail) on the tremendous volume of trash we all receive, even after filtering, and extend that to zero cost participation in the IETF.
>>
>> There is value in having to pass some form of "is it worth it" test - no matter who will be actually paying for it.
> That may as well keep valuable people out, and making meetings be the
> turf of big companies that can afford it.
even worse than it already is. (yes, I agree)
