Agree with Melinda. I would also point out that zero (or near zero) cost participation should not be a goal. -----Original Message----- From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Melinda Shore Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 10:51 PM To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: We gotta stop meeting like this On 7/22/19 10:41 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > There is no conflict here. Meeting travel is expensive, onerous, and > simply not feasible for many people due to a variety of circumstances. > Decreasing the requirement for it will enable participation by a wider > and more diverse community. Nominally, we don't require meeting attendance to be an effective IETF participant, but that's increasingly being met with a wink and a <nudge>. I do think that there's an important question in there about whether or not this is actually what we want. I think Elliot went straight to the follow-on question of how to ease that requirement (if that's, in fact, what we want) and made a few problematic assumptions about how the process of figuring that out might work, but I do think that the base question - Do we really want to functionally require participants to come to meetings? - deserves some attention. Melinda