With respect, I believe Alissa was incorrect in her assertions.
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Richard Barnes < rlb@xxxxxx> wrote: I would invite you to re-read Alissa's message, which is explicit that the issue is Mike's "repeated use of unprofessional language" -- not anything to do with his arguments. No, what is being talked about is the suppression of necessary and constructive speech out of a misguided idea that telling the truth is disrespectful.. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Richard Barnes < rlb@xxxxxx> wrote: Nobody is talking about varnishing truth, Keith. They're talking about treating fellow contributors with respect. There's a big gap between those two ideas.
--Richard
I believe such rules (or something akin to them [*]) are essential to productive technical discussion and therefore essential to IETF. I also believe that efforts to prevent people from telling the unvarnished truth about a technical mechanism, or a political one, are harmful to IETF in the most extreme sense possible.
[*] my preferred version is closer to “Criticize ideas, not people. But criticize harmful ideas when necessary to prevent harm even if there’s a risk that people will take such criticism personally. “
Keith
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Job Snijders <job@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> believe "Crocker's Rules" are incompatible with the IETF process and
> as such notifications via IETF's communication channels about whether
> someone adheres to Crocker's Rules or not, don't serve a purpose.
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