On 6/28/2019 5:45 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
Hi Mike,
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 01:38:21PM -0400, Michael StJohns wrote:
On 6/28/2019 11:28 AM, Livingood, Jason wrote:
Usually a situation developed because some process was flawed or due to a lack alignment between responsibility & accountability, etc. This also means granting a bit of trust in colleagues and acknowledging that everyone is doing their best to achieve what they think will best serve the situation/platform/org/etc. This can be hard to do, but it is a healthy step that can make an org stronger.
Hi Jason -
The problem is that whatever trust I (we?) might want to grant in this
case is diminished by past actions such as the rfcplusplus bof, and in
the current instance, an explanation of behavior by the RSOC that
doesn't meet the smell test.
This also begs the question of what were they actually trying to achieve
and whether we the community believe those to be worthy goals.
A few of the other questions that should be asked in the post-mortem of
this stupidity* is "Why did the RSOC find it necessary to take the
actions it took without any community input whatsoever?" and "Did the
IAB have any pre-knowledge of the actions that were about to be taken?"
Mike
* With respect to the term "stupidity", this was the least offensive
term I was able to come up with that had the appropriate impact in the
above statement. This is not an "unfortunate event" or a "well meaning
action" or even a "mistake". "Stupidity" at least leaves the question of
malign intent open. Feel free to come up with your own terms.
I appreciate that you have put thought into your phrasing. However, this
term nonetheless fails to meet the bar for professional conduct required
by RFC 3005. We must treat each other with courtesy, even when we find
events to be disconcerting. Making observations about the situation is
reasonable; attacking community members is out of bounds.
Thanks,
Ben
for the Sergeant-at-Arms
With respect - no. Please read above more closely. The situation is
stupid. "post-mortem of this stupidity". If you choose to attribute
stupidity to a community member so be it.
In any event, the general model is to first have a private discussion
with the prospective offendee describing what you found offensive and
why before public sanction. Please try and do all of us that courtesy
the next time.
Mike
