Hi,
Yes, it works.
I created an account for free and gave a postal address. It's a fake
address but in a specific non-US country. I checked accepting cookies
and other things, and unchecked some other boxes about ads I think.
Then the pdf downloads ok fully.
Still, I hesitate before saying "freely available". I might say "freely
available with some difficulty of access as of 2019".
Alex
Le 08/04/2019 à 17:56, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
Hi Rob,
Thank you for the logging with new personal account.
Was it a "IEEE Xplore Subscription for Individual Access (for Personal
Use Only)"?
(which button did you use to create an account?)
(also I am surprised you were asked for a physical address; when I tried
to register as Organisation they just asked for City, no more details
about address).
Alex
Le 08/04/2019 à 17:46, Rob Wilton (rwilton) a écrit :
Hi Alex,
I created and logged in using a new personal account (not from the
Cisco corporate network). I also needed to add a physical address,
but after that I was able to download the pdf version of the standard
to my phone at no charge.
So, I believe that this document (IEEE 802.11-2016) is currently
freely available.
However, I'm not sure whether this particular version will still be
freely available if a new version of the 802.11 standard is
published. I might be wrong, but I think that just that latest
version that is at least 6 months old that is available at no charge,
after that you need to pay (or get it via a personal/corporate IEEE
membership) ... certainly that is what the website seems to indicate
if I try and access an older revision of the IEEE 802.11 standard.
HTH,
Rob
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free or not free access to 802.11-2016 document
a knowledgeable person tells in private we could share the document in a
peer-to-peer manner. I thank.
but there is still no free access to the IEEE 802.11-2016 document,
so I keep
"Description freely available" and I do not put "document freely
available".
I will check back tomorrow.
Alex
Le 08/04/2019 à 16:35, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
Carsten,
Le 08/04/2019 à 16:17, Carsten Bormann a écrit :
On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:02, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
<pthubert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
For all I know, IEEE documents are generally available for free 6
months after the publication.
(This is true specifically for IEEE 802 documents through the get802
program, and a few other places they have seen the light. Generally,
IEEE’s business model is still largely based on selling documents.)
I can agree with the principle.
In this particular case, is it too much that I ask you to please
download this 802.11-2016 document
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995
If you already have an account via an organisation, please remove it
from the Options of your browser (so it does not pre-fill the form
with some password) and try to follow the IEEE procedure to maybe make
a new one.
If you access IEEE via an organisation's IP address (so your
organisation's name is seen at the top of the page) then try to access
it from home, or from smartphone.
If you think the IEEE GET Program gives some additional access ("With
support from the IEEE-SA, industry sponsors, and government, a number
of IEEE standards are available for download at no cost. This
program, entitled IEEE GET ProgramTM, grants public access to view
and/or download these current individual standards.) please go to its
URL and see that they list 802.11 but then it points to the same URL
as at the beginning of this email, so cant download.
If it is too much to ask, sorry.
(I already asked a co-author to do this - no answer; and another
knowledgeable person just now doubts in private the availability
statements).
Alex
