Speaking as the unindicted co-conspirator, who Magnus will be replacing ...
On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:28 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Of course, we know we can trust Mirja and Lars. It's not about impartiality,
it's about the appearance of impartiality.
SM is right, that we've been here before. No one died.
Alia and I sent a similar mail way back in February 2014. You can probably
find it in the archives. At that time, we opted to completely micro-manage
ourselves by writing details designed to cover every eventuality.
I think that Mirja and Lars have opted for fewer words, but the message is
the same.
It'll all work out fine.
Ironically, the first RFC I was responsible for after joining the IESG was https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7026/, which neither Adrian nor Stewart could shepherd because they were both recused. So they moved the document to an AD outside the area, and that's why there is one RTG RFC that includes me in the datatracker history.
That was coming up on six years ago, but after we requested datatracker mods that allowed Benoit to focus on YANG, it is now possible to assign entire working groups to an AD outside the area. That's not likely to happen with Mirja and Magnus as ADs, but my point is that we've had the ability to do the right thing for a while, and we have even more ability to do it now.
And if it doesn't work out fine, the community is not shy about explaining what "fine" needs to be. So THEN it will all work out fine.
Spencer
Adrian
-----Original Message-----
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of S Moonesamy
Sent: 15 March 2019 15:43
To: iesg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx
Cc: Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Change of Affiliation
Dear IESG,
At 05:40 AM 13-03-2019, Mirja Kuehlewind wrote:
>documents is one of the main drivers or contributors in these
>groups. A situation where at least one author and the responsible AD
>have the same affiliation is less rare and usually not necessarily
>seen as a conflict of interest, as least for wg documents where
>other individuals have been involved in the process and consensus
>was built by the whole group. However, whenever we get into a
>situation where a potential conflict or bias could be assumed, we
>will ask for the help of other members in the IESG, e.g. by
>shepherding a conflicted document by another AD outside the
>transport area if necessary. Still, if you think there is a conflict
>or bias that we overlook or are not handling appropriately, please
>talk with us, the rest of the IESG, or,
>alternatively, the IETF chair and we will handle this carefully.
There can be potential impartiality issues when an author and the
Responsible Area Director share the same affiliation. There is a
thread in the mailing list archives about that topic.
Regards,
S. Moonesamy
