Oh, s/Lars/Magnus/ 😊 These men all look the same to me. A -----Original Message----- From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 15 March 2019 16:27 To: 'S Moonesamy' <sm+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx Cc: 'Mirja Kuehlewind' <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'The IESG' <iesg@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Change of Affiliation Of course, we know we can trust Mirja and Lars. It's not about impartiality, it's about the appearance of impartiality. SM is right, that we've been here before. No one died. Alia and I sent a similar mail way back in February 2014. You can probably find it in the archives. At that time, we opted to completely micro-manage ourselves by writing details designed to cover every eventuality. I think that Mirja and Lars have opted for fewer words, but the message is the same. It'll all work out fine. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of S Moonesamy Sent: 15 March 2019 15:43 To: iesg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx Cc: Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Change of Affiliation Dear IESG, At 05:40 AM 13-03-2019, Mirja Kuehlewind wrote: >documents is one of the main drivers or contributors in these >groups. A situation where at least one author and the responsible AD >have the same affiliation is less rare and usually not necessarily >seen as a conflict of interest, as least for wg documents where >other individuals have been involved in the process and consensus >was built by the whole group. However, whenever we get into a >situation where a potential conflict or bias could be assumed, we >will ask for the help of other members in the IESG, e.g. by >shepherding a conflicted document by another AD outside the >transport area if necessary. Still, if you think there is a conflict >or bias that we overlook or are not handling appropriately, please >talk with us, the rest of the IESG, or, >alternatively, the IETF chair and we will handle this carefully. There can be potential impartiality issues when an author and the Responsible Area Director share the same affiliation. There is a thread in the mailing list archives about that topic. Regards, S. Moonesamy
