--On Thursday, November 8, 2018 20:14 +0000 Dave Cridland <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 8 Nov 2018 7:59 pm, "Nico Williams" <nico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >... > Meetecho is effectively yet another an IM w/ audiovideo > platform. There are others (all proprietary, I think, but at > least parts(?) of Discord are open). Like everything else in > the IM space post-XMPP, it's a symptom of the balkanization of > IM in the absence of a widely adopted and used IM standard. > More than that, I think this means that the market does not > want an IM standard. Pity. I'd rather have a standard. >... > Unless Meetecho has changed dramatically, it, too, is "just" > another XMPP implementation. If you two are talking about the chat frame in Meetecho, sure and no one has claimed otherwise. To at least some extent it is there because the IETF used Jabber and we are (or were) a major customer. If you are talking about Meetecho as a virtual meeting / teleconferencing system, its competitors are GoToMeeting, WebEx, Zoom, and a bunch of others, not traditional IM systems, even those with "add people to conversation" options. It may be worth remembering that efforts to build teleconferencing systems of that flavor predate Internet-based IM systems unless one counts SMTP's SEND verb or the early, mostly-Unix-based, talk protocol. Just a personal opinion but those more commercial virtual meeting systems seem to be optimized (with differing priorities) for scenarios that simulate a relatively small number of people sitting around a table, a large meeting in which someone is presenting or lecturing to a collection of remote people, or a larger conference in which almost everyone is remote from each other. Meetecho, I assume at least in part because the IETF's way of working influenced their design, is far better optimized to our "big room with a lot of people in it, many of whom are participating rather just listening, and a much smaller number of widely-distributed remote participants, some of whom become part of the discussions and others of whom may actually present" model. Speaking as someone who is very dependent on it and who would probably have to drop out if f2f meetings had the same importance for the IETF they had 15 or 20 years ago, I'm really grateful for Meetecho and the people who make it work, how much it has improved over the last several years, and how superior it is to those other systems (a couple of which I find myself using regularly). best, john
