On Thu, Nov 08, 2018 at 02:41:57PM +0700, Randy Bush wrote: > > Perhaps the IETF needs to admit defeat here... > > my memory is that xmpp was originaly brought into the ietf to be rubber > stamped. So? We "own" it anyways. But the real question is: can we continue using it for remote participation. My impression was that Mark N. meant that we should accept that XMPP is no longer viable for that purpose. Meetecho is effectively yet another an IM w/ audiovideo platform. There are others (all proprietary, I think, but at least parts(?) of Discord are open). Like everything else in the IM space post-XMPP, it's a symptom of the balkanization of IM in the absence of a widely adopted and used IM standard. More than that, I think this means that the market does not want an IM standard. Pity. I'd rather have a standard. Nico --
