Hi Brian, thanks for the clarification! The slide talks about PS, not DS. I guess that is what you meant, right? Anyway, the database shows a bunch of RFCs from the Independent Stream that are Standards Track or BCP, respectively: https://www.rfc-editor.org/search/rfc_search_detail.php?pubstatus%5B%5D=Standards+Track&std_trk=Any&pub_date_type=any&stream_name=Independent https://www.rfc-editor.org/search/rfc_search_detail.php?std_trk=Any&pubstatus%5B%5D=Best+Current+Practice&pub_date_type=any&stream_name=Independent Cheers, Gonzalo On 16/07/2018 5:09 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Well, I very much doubt that the Independent strem has published a DS and a BCP since the stream was formally defined. Can you clarify? > > Regards > Brian > > On 17/07/2018 08:40, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> if you are not more concrete with your comments, it will be difficult >> for us to address them ;-) Please, note that slide 9 lists what has been >> done while slide 10 lists what it is allowed. So, for example, those >> slides show that while the Independent Stream is not supposed to publish >> Proposed Standards, it was somehow done in the past. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gonzalo >> >> On 16/07/2018 4:29 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> slide 9, Independent column, there are 2 erroneous X's >>> >>> Regards >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17/07/2018 07:09, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >>>> Hi Loa, >>>> >>>> the chair slides are available at (in her email, Heather also sent links >>>> to the mailing list archives and to the original BoF proposal): >>>> >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-rfcplusplus-slides-00 >>>> >>>> You can find the questions there. As you can see, they are a few very >>>> generic questions intended to explore the problem space because, so far, >>>> the discussions on the mailing list have not converged at all. We have >>>> not seen any consensus so far around whether or not there is a problem >>>> and, if so, whether or not it is a problem worth solving. >>>> >>>> There have been discussions about the solution space as well, but we >>>> believe we need to discuss the problem space a bit better before jumping >>>> into designing and discussing concrete solutions. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Gonzalo >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16/07/2018 1:57 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Folks, >>>>> >>>>> With an agenda like this >>>>> >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/agenda-102-rfcplusplus-00 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How am I supposed to prepared the the bof? >>>>> >>>>> /Loa >>>> >>>> >>> >>