Hiya, On 01/06/18 18:59, Nico Williams wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:27 AM John R Levine <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Like jck, I have to disagree with Nico's assertion that anyone can pick up >> I18N expertise quickly, and also jck's comment that if your experience is >> only with European alphabetic languages, you've barely scratched the >> surface. It's remarkably subtle. It needs a particular mindset, in much >> the way that being a crypto expert does. Different mindset, though. > > > Not everyone can pick up I18N expertise quickly? Sure, but we engineer > complex things, so i suspect many participants at the IETF can actually > pick up enough I18N expertise to be useful. I18N is not a dark art. > > Can we get more training? Will ISOC pay for it, perhaps? > > Or are you saying the rest of us are not just good enough? What are _your_ > concrete proposals? > > The negativity here makes me wonder. With this sort of attitude nothing > good will result. Saying the sky is falling might get you some volunteers, > but saying none could help sure won't. I do think Nico has a point in the above. I've personally felt disinclined to get involved in this kind of work for such reasons. ISTM that starting i18n discussions by saying how little others know isn't a way to encourage folks to do work, and does happy noticeably often. Now it could be that it's better that someone who knows as little as I about the topic is not involved, but in the last couple of decades in the IETF we have I think seen a lot of IETF participants learn enough about security to do well, (or cause less accidental harm anyway:-), but I don't think we can say the same about i18n. S. > > Nico > -- >
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