I am getting a better sense of the problem you're trying to solve as indeed there have been many times that I've told someone to stop doing something and gotten that exact response (i.e., no one else has that problem, so why does it bother you?). That actually came up a WG that had a presentation with what I considered an inappropriate picture that I think you're familiar with. So, bringing it to this level, your point does resonate.
To me this is just solving the tiniest sliver of a larger problem that I thought was the intent of this whole anti-harassment ombudsperson setup. Of course, having used the process and gotten unsatisfactory results and basically been told by the ombudsperson that to avoid the situation in the future, I should adjust my behavior, I get the issue.
So, I'm looking forward to getting my red lanyard in London. Can we also use it to indicate that I don't want people jumping ahead of me at the microphone and then responding that they only do so to women?
Regards,
Mary.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Adam Roach <adam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 3/2/18 12:44 PM, Mary B wrote:
Thanks for providing some more context. But, why can't the problem be handled by someone asking the person/people that have a tendency to get in people's faces, to please stop doing that?
Allow me to re-quote one of the paragraphs you are ostensibly responding to:/a
Those people don't feel empowered to speak up because they fear this EXACT conversation. They expect that they will be told that they should toughen up, that things have always been this way, that they shouldn't feel the way they feel. They feel like their business opportunities will dry up if they talk about how scared they are. They are unwilling to participate more at the IETF because of these concerns.
