Re: How many rooms _actually_ available ? Re: IETF 101 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Open!

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FWIW a fair bit of what you mention below can be found under the 1st
link of the (slightly dated) iaoc meetings page:
https://iaoc.ietf.org/ietf-meetings.html

Lou


On 12/18/2017 10:59 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
>
> --On Monday, December 18, 2017 10:30 -0500 John R Levine
> <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>>> It wouldn't help us get rooms for IETF-101, but it would
>>>> help with IAOC oversight (who oversees the overseers?) to
>>>> know how many rooms were in the block. For example, knowing
>>>> that only 75 rooms were blocked out and that 74 of them are
>>>> reserved for staff and I* might raise questions. This where
>>>> some transparency would help.
>>> Indeed.  Or at least it can't hurt.
>> As I understand it, you're saying that you suspect the problem
>> is that the IAOC, which is all volunteers you know, is holding
>> back unneeded rooms for the people who run the meetings?  If
>> that's not what you mean, what do you mean?
> John, Let me take a try at answering the question.  
>
> Over the years, we have moved very gradually from a rather small
> number of people for whom the Secretariat reserved and held
> rooms in the HQ / meeting hotel to what some people believe is
> an ever-expanding list.   I can remember a time when, if rooms
> in the main hotel were scarce, most of all of the Secretariat
> stayed somewhere else and just about the only special
> reservations were for members of the IAB and IESG and maybe not
> all of them.  While I'm willing to assume that every addition
> makes sense, I think it would be healthier if the community
> understood how far the umbrella spreads and, insofar as it
> becomes a constraint on getting work done, that the fundamental
> decisions about criteria be subject to community review.   For
> example, do IAOC members now get reserved rooms?  Can that be
> justified in the same way that the IAB and IESG originally were,
> i.e., improving accessibility to those people, freeing up extra
> space for very small meetings with them, and making the meetings
> run better.  How about senior (or other?) ISOC or ICANN or other
> guest people or organizations staff or representatives?  
>
> The question of how many of those rooms there are and who they
> go to is important for another reason: once upon a time, most of
> all of those rooms were comp-ed by the hotel in return for
> bringing the meeting in, just as meeting rooms are.  Has the
> number of comp-ed rooms become part of meeting location and
> hotel locations?  Or, if not, is IASA paying for some of them
> and how, if at all, does that affect the bottom line and the
> meeting fees paid by "ordinary" participants?
>
> Note that this interacts with a different concern.  The number
> of reserved small meeting rooms is definitely on the increase
> relative to where it was 15 years ago (IIR, if I recall, at that
> time it was one each for the IAB and IESG, a work area for the
> Secretariat, and, in season, one for the Nomcom).  If the number
> of those rooms that are required has expanded to the point that
> it is a constraint on hotel choices and negotiations, whether it
> is a source of upward pressure on registration fees or not, then
> I think  the community is entitled to knowledge about, and
> probably even control over how the tradeoffs should be
> considered.
>
> I note that none of this is about contracts with particular
> hotels or the like, only how much visibility fundamental IASA
> policy decisions have the community and whether the community is
> given enough information to provide effective input into those
> decisions.
>
>     john
>
>




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