Re: How many rooms _actually_ available ? Re: IETF 101 - Registration and Hotel Reservations Open!

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On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:53:57AM -0500, Lou Berger wrote:
> FWIW a fair bit of what you mention below can be found under the 1st
> link of the (slightly dated) iaoc meetings page:
> https://iaoc.ietf.org/ietf-meetings.html

Thanks, Lou

I assume you are referring to page 2 of
 https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF-Meeting-Requirement-Overview-2016.pdf

anything else re. subject of this thread ?

Cheers
    Toerless

> Lou
> 
> 
> On 12/18/2017 10:59 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
> >
> > --On Monday, December 18, 2017 10:30 -0500 John R Levine
> > <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >>>> It wouldn't help us get rooms for IETF-101, but it would
> >>>> help with IAOC oversight (who oversees the overseers?) to
> >>>> know how many rooms were in the block. For example, knowing
> >>>> that only 75 rooms were blocked out and that 74 of them are
> >>>> reserved for staff and I* might raise questions. This where
> >>>> some transparency would help.
> >>> Indeed.  Or at least it can't hurt.
> >> As I understand it, you're saying that you suspect the problem
> >> is that the IAOC, which is all volunteers you know, is holding
> >> back unneeded rooms for the people who run the meetings?  If
> >> that's not what you mean, what do you mean?
> > John, Let me take a try at answering the question.  
> >
> > Over the years, we have moved very gradually from a rather small
> > number of people for whom the Secretariat reserved and held
> > rooms in the HQ / meeting hotel to what some people believe is
> > an ever-expanding list.   I can remember a time when, if rooms
> > in the main hotel were scarce, most of all of the Secretariat
> > stayed somewhere else and just about the only special
> > reservations were for members of the IAB and IESG and maybe not
> > all of them.  While I'm willing to assume that every addition
> > makes sense, I think it would be healthier if the community
> > understood how far the umbrella spreads and, insofar as it
> > becomes a constraint on getting work done, that the fundamental
> > decisions about criteria be subject to community review.   For
> > example, do IAOC members now get reserved rooms?  Can that be
> > justified in the same way that the IAB and IESG originally were,
> > i.e., improving accessibility to those people, freeing up extra
> > space for very small meetings with them, and making the meetings
> > run better.  How about senior (or other?) ISOC or ICANN or other
> > guest people or organizations staff or representatives?  
> >
> > The question of how many of those rooms there are and who they
> > go to is important for another reason: once upon a time, most of
> > all of those rooms were comp-ed by the hotel in return for
> > bringing the meeting in, just as meeting rooms are.  Has the
> > number of comp-ed rooms become part of meeting location and
> > hotel locations?  Or, if not, is IASA paying for some of them
> > and how, if at all, does that affect the bottom line and the
> > meeting fees paid by "ordinary" participants?
> >
> > Note that this interacts with a different concern.  The number
> > of reserved small meeting rooms is definitely on the increase
> > relative to where it was 15 years ago (IIR, if I recall, at that
> > time it was one each for the IAB and IESG, a work area for the
> > Secretariat, and, in season, one for the Nomcom).  If the number
> > of those rooms that are required has expanded to the point that
> > it is a constraint on hotel choices and negotiations, whether it
> > is a source of upward pressure on registration fees or not, then
> > I think  the community is entitled to knowledge about, and
> > probably even control over how the tradeoffs should be
> > considered.
> >
> > I note that none of this is about contracts with particular
> > hotels or the like, only how much visibility fundamental IASA
> > policy decisions have the community and whether the community is
> > given enough information to provide effective input into those
> > decisions.
> >
> >     john
> >
> >

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