Having just participated remotely for this IETF 95, and having thought about what I was missing while doing so, I feel that nothing can really replace the actual IETF face-to-face meeting experience. We can strive to do as much as possible to make remote be equal as possible participant, but remote participation can never be a 100% substitute for 100s of colleagues spending an intense week together in the same location focused morning, noon, and night; while eating, drinking, meeting, relaxing, on the engineering of the Internet. Why would we want to get rid of such a rich source of inspiration and invention? I don't see that meetings aren't working well, instead I think we're trying to make them work even better through enhanced remote participation (e.g., meetecho, remote hubs, etc). Thanks, Chris. Rich Kulawiec <rsk@xxxxxxx> writes: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 03:17:39PM +0300, Yoav Nir wrote: >> I don???t believe that this technology exists. > > People have remote meetings all day, every day. Lots of technology > exists, more is being invented all the time. Perhaps (to follow > on your mention of Meetecho in 1995) if 20 years had been invested > in making it work for the IETF then it would be working by now. > >> Yeah, perhaps, some day when we???re all wearing virtual reality >> headsets and our avatars are hanging out in a virtual venue, and we all >> have sufficient equipment and bandwidth to handle all that. We???re not >> there yet. > > Nor is there any need to go there. Meetings do not require VR. > >> Virtual meetings with the technology we have today makes it very hard >> for people with mediocre English to follow the discussion. > > That's (a) not a very big problem and (b) a solvable problem. > > > What I'm hearing is a lot of we've-always-done-it-this-way. Well, > that's not working very well except for the privileged elite few > (most of whom are backed by corporations). And I understand > that those with plenty of money and time and freedom have gotten > comfortable with how-things-are-done. It's an easy thing to do, > I've done it myself. But it doesn't serve the long-term interests > of the IETF or the Internet well. > > ---rsk