On 11/04/2016 02:48, Michael StJohns wrote: > On 4/10/2016 10:45 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>>> it was clean unfettered Internet. some local folk stuck their necks out >>>> very far to accomplish this. it was definitely different than one got >>>> outside of the ietf meeting network. this has been a condition placed >>>> on hosts and beijing was no exception. >>> This surprises me - "this has been a condition placed on hosts...". In the case of Beijing it was very clear from the earliest discussions, going back to 2005 and before, to my personal knowledge. ... > > I repeat - "where" have the local hosts/laws specified conditions that resulted in the IETF network content access being > markedly different than that accessible to the random local citizen? Why is that relevant? The criterion is: can the IETF do its work properly? Of which a sub-criterion is: will there be clean unfettered Internet at the meeting site? How RFC 4084 applies in the local coffee shops is another matter. Brian