Re: Yokohama Hotels Update was Re: [BOFChairs] IETF 94 - Registration and Hotel Information - no availablity

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Can people please drop crossposts to wgchairs@ and recentattendees@ from this discussion?

Thanks.


> On 18 Aug 2015, at 7:40 am, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Ray,
> 
> To be sure I understand your note, I draw the following
> conclusions and wonder if they are correct:
> 
> (1) The total number of rooms you expect to have contracted/
> reserved, assuming that no more open up at the Intercontinental,
> is 830 on the peak nights. 
> 
> (2) Noting Ole's observation about Japanese hotels and the
> implication that this may not be as much of an issue as it was
> in, e.g., Maastricht, you, the IAOC, and the Secretariat are
> going to guarantee high-quality (IETF-grade, fat pipe) Internet
> access only for the Intercontinental and one, so far
> unspecified, "overflow hotel".  Assuming, for lack of any other
> data, that each of the 4 contracted overflow hotels will make
> the same number of rooms available, that means that circa 433
> people will get that level of service, at least as far as any
> IETF arrangements are concerned.
> 
> Is that correct, or at least roughly so?
> 
> If it is, would it be appropriate to suggest that, in the
> interest of experiencing what the "ordinary" IETT participant
> experiences, that no member of the IAOC, no one being paid (via
> contract or otherwise) by the IETF, no member of the IESG or
> IAB, and, in the interest of helping them evaluate how important
> the issues are, no member of the Nomcom end up in any of those
> 433 or so rooms?  Just a thought...
> 
>    john
> 
> 
> --On Monday, 17 August, 2015 16:57 -0400 Ray Pelletier
> <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> All;
>> 
>> Here is where things stand.
>> 
>> 1.  "Headquarters Hotel"
>> 
>> Our Host, WIDE, is attempting to obtain more guest rooms in the
>> InterContinental Yokohama Grand.
>> 
>> The InterContinental Yokohama Grand has 475 standard rooms, but
>> would only allow us to book 300 rooms on the peak nights of
>> Monday and Tuesday.  They said they had to accommodate their
>> existing corporate and airline contracts.
>> 
>> Wednesday and Thursdays were contracted for fewer rooms, 289
>> and 250. We contracted for the rooms using the usual Bell
>> Curve, which typically reflects that some folks depart on
>> Wednesday and more on Thursday.  This was a mistake on our
>> part.  if those rooms had been available we should have
>> contracted for the max we could get.
>> 
>> 2.  Overflow Hotels
>> 
>> We are working with the Japanese Travel Bureau to open the JTB
>> reservation system for the 4 contracted Overflow Hotels.
>> Together these hotels have 530 rooms on a peak night, for a
>> total of 3,550 room nights.
>> 
>> One of the 4 will also have the IETF network, courtesy of
>> WIDE.  \
>> 
>> The JTB current system only permits reservations from 31
>> October to 7 November, not before or after.  We are trying to
>> get that fixed.  We think that reservations may be open
>> Tuesday, but might be Wednesday.
>> 
>> Our preference would have been to open the Overflow Hotels
>> together with the Headquarters Hotel.  We did not to provide
>> those needing Visas more time to process their applications.
>> 
>> 3. Alternative Hotels
>> 
>> There are a number of alternative hotels near the Pacifico
>> Yokohama (Meeting Venue).  The IETF does not have a contract
>> with these hotels, nor is the IETF network available. This
>> information is provided as a convenience to meeting attendees.
>> The IETF makes no representation as to availability, prices,
>> cancellation practices, or Internet quality.
>> 
>> Map of possible alternative hotels:
>> 	https://www.google.com/maps/search/hotels+near+InterContinent
>> al+
>> 	Yokohama+Grand,+Yokohama,+Kanagawa+Prefecture,+Japan/%4035.
>> 	4604397,139.6350251,14z?hl=en
>> 
>> You may use your favorite search engines such as:
>> 	http://www.hotels.com/
>> 	http://www.trivago.com/
>> 	https://www.airbnb.com/
>> 
>> You should expect to see an update Tuesday.
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:39 PM, manning <bmanning@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps a data point / leverage.
>>> 
>>> The week -AFTER- the IETF, was the Yokohama International
>>> Quilt week.  Same venue, same hotel.  It's been scheduled
>>> for over a year now. Many groups/tours are SOLD OUT, in
>>> planning to attend this event, plus side trips the week
>>> before and after.   This event is larger than the IETF.
>>> 
>>> …and it was recently canceled by the organizer…
>>> 
>>> Perhaps (maybe) a number of the reserved rooms are tied to
>>> that event and they have not cleaned up after the effects of
>>> the cancelation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> manning
>>> bmanning@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> PO Box 6151
>>> Playa del Rey, CA 90296
>>> 310.322.8102
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 17August2015Monday, at 10:18, Adam Roach
>>> <adam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 8/17/15 11:48, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>>>>> Speaking from personal experience, I have always found
>>>>> Internet access in Japanese hotels to be quite excellent
>>>>> even without these upgrades by our NOC team.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect that the historically destroyed Internet
>>>> connections in many of the overflow hotels -- and the
>>>> Maastrict hotel for that matter -- are perfectly adequate
>>>> for a normal mix of guests. I find it difficult to believe
>>>> that you could accurately judge what a hotel's performance
>>>> would be without a load similar to what IETF attendees
>>>> typically bring with them.
>>>> 
>>>> To be clear, issues rise above those of simple bandwidth
>>>> saturation. Most commonly, I've seen things that I suspect
>>>> are DHCP pool exhaustion (with results ranging from issuing
>>>> duplicate addresses (!) to simply being unable to get an
>>>> address) and NAT port exhaustion (leading to the inability
>>>> to make or maintain connections). We bring a unique set of
>>>> stresses to an infrastructure that are way outside the
>>>> normal envelope.
>>>> 
>>>> /a
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

--
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