Can people please drop crossposts to wgchairs@ and recentattendees@ from this discussion? Thanks. > On 18 Aug 2015, at 7:40 am, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > Ray, > > To be sure I understand your note, I draw the following > conclusions and wonder if they are correct: > > (1) The total number of rooms you expect to have contracted/ > reserved, assuming that no more open up at the Intercontinental, > is 830 on the peak nights. > > (2) Noting Ole's observation about Japanese hotels and the > implication that this may not be as much of an issue as it was > in, e.g., Maastricht, you, the IAOC, and the Secretariat are > going to guarantee high-quality (IETF-grade, fat pipe) Internet > access only for the Intercontinental and one, so far > unspecified, "overflow hotel". Assuming, for lack of any other > data, that each of the 4 contracted overflow hotels will make > the same number of rooms available, that means that circa 433 > people will get that level of service, at least as far as any > IETF arrangements are concerned. > > Is that correct, or at least roughly so? > > If it is, would it be appropriate to suggest that, in the > interest of experiencing what the "ordinary" IETT participant > experiences, that no member of the IAOC, no one being paid (via > contract or otherwise) by the IETF, no member of the IESG or > IAB, and, in the interest of helping them evaluate how important > the issues are, no member of the Nomcom end up in any of those > 433 or so rooms? Just a thought... > > john > > > --On Monday, 17 August, 2015 16:57 -0400 Ray Pelletier > <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> All; >> >> Here is where things stand. >> >> 1. "Headquarters Hotel" >> >> Our Host, WIDE, is attempting to obtain more guest rooms in the >> InterContinental Yokohama Grand. >> >> The InterContinental Yokohama Grand has 475 standard rooms, but >> would only allow us to book 300 rooms on the peak nights of >> Monday and Tuesday. They said they had to accommodate their >> existing corporate and airline contracts. >> >> Wednesday and Thursdays were contracted for fewer rooms, 289 >> and 250. We contracted for the rooms using the usual Bell >> Curve, which typically reflects that some folks depart on >> Wednesday and more on Thursday. This was a mistake on our >> part. if those rooms had been available we should have >> contracted for the max we could get. >> >> 2. Overflow Hotels >> >> We are working with the Japanese Travel Bureau to open the JTB >> reservation system for the 4 contracted Overflow Hotels. >> Together these hotels have 530 rooms on a peak night, for a >> total of 3,550 room nights. >> >> One of the 4 will also have the IETF network, courtesy of >> WIDE. \ >> >> The JTB current system only permits reservations from 31 >> October to 7 November, not before or after. We are trying to >> get that fixed. We think that reservations may be open >> Tuesday, but might be Wednesday. >> >> Our preference would have been to open the Overflow Hotels >> together with the Headquarters Hotel. We did not to provide >> those needing Visas more time to process their applications. >> >> 3. Alternative Hotels >> >> There are a number of alternative hotels near the Pacifico >> Yokohama (Meeting Venue). The IETF does not have a contract >> with these hotels, nor is the IETF network available. This >> information is provided as a convenience to meeting attendees. >> The IETF makes no representation as to availability, prices, >> cancellation practices, or Internet quality. >> >> Map of possible alternative hotels: >> https://www.google.com/maps/search/hotels+near+InterContinent >> al+ >> Yokohama+Grand,+Yokohama,+Kanagawa+Prefecture,+Japan/%4035. >> 4604397,139.6350251,14z?hl=en >> >> You may use your favorite search engines such as: >> http://www.hotels.com/ >> http://www.trivago.com/ >> https://www.airbnb.com/ >> >> You should expect to see an update Tuesday. >> >> Ray >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:39 PM, manning <bmanning@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps a data point / leverage. >>> >>> The week -AFTER- the IETF, was the Yokohama International >>> Quilt week. Same venue, same hotel. It's been scheduled >>> for over a year now. Many groups/tours are SOLD OUT, in >>> planning to attend this event, plus side trips the week >>> before and after. This event is larger than the IETF. >>> >>> …and it was recently canceled by the organizer… >>> >>> Perhaps (maybe) a number of the reserved rooms are tied to >>> that event and they have not cleaned up after the effects of >>> the cancelation. >>> >>> >>> manning >>> bmanning@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> PO Box 6151 >>> Playa del Rey, CA 90296 >>> 310.322.8102 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17August2015Monday, at 10:18, Adam Roach >>> <adam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/17/15 11:48, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >>>>> Speaking from personal experience, I have always found >>>>> Internet access in Japanese hotels to be quite excellent >>>>> even without these upgrades by our NOC team. >>>> >>>> I suspect that the historically destroyed Internet >>>> connections in many of the overflow hotels -- and the >>>> Maastrict hotel for that matter -- are perfectly adequate >>>> for a normal mix of guests. I find it difficult to believe >>>> that you could accurately judge what a hotel's performance >>>> would be without a load similar to what IETF attendees >>>> typically bring with them. >>>> >>>> To be clear, issues rise above those of simple bandwidth >>>> saturation. Most commonly, I've seen things that I suspect >>>> are DHCP pool exhaustion (with results ranging from issuing >>>> duplicate addresses (!) to simply being unable to get an >>>> address) and NAT port exhaustion (leading to the inability >>>> to make or maintain connections). We bring a unique set of >>>> stresses to an infrastructure that are way outside the >>>> normal envelope. >>>> >>>> /a >>>> >>> >> > > > > -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/