+1 Dave I completely agree. The cost problem is getting out of hand around here, but the real causation is endless process delays. To John¹s point SDO shopping is already going on and its going to be a larger problem in the future unless there is some serious thought about reforms. ? Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richard<at>shockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 On 7/24/15, 12:18 AM, "ietf on behalf of Dave Crocker" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx on behalf of dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >On 7/24/2015 5:40 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >> It would be interesting to try to estimate the cost of >> participants of developing an IETF Proposed Standard and then to >> compare that to various estimates of the cost to develop and >> submit a TLD application. > > >Many years ago, I did a back of the envelope calculation for the >aggregate cost of an easy and quick IETF standards effort and landed on >US$ 1M. > >I'm sure it is a multiple of that now and that the larger efforts run >into aggregate costs that are 10 times as high. > >Engineers are expensive. A group of many engineers is quite a bit more >expensive. Engineers over many months are... > > >d/ > >-- >Dave Crocker >Brandenburg InternetWorking >bbiw.net >