Has FTP stopped working? Is it time to deprecate FTP as an Internet Protocol? Is it so costly to run an FTP service that it is cost prohibitive? A core, perhaps the core of the IETF value has been in its open, freely available standards, available over a wide variety of transport options. Indeed this is a valuable crosscheck against tampering. Too many copies exist. Arguably some methods are better than others, those value propositions change over time. The recent zeal for “security” seems, to these jaded eyes, to be reactionary at best. "We cannot sprinkle magic security pixie dust over what you have built. It cannot be secured at any price. We have to get you to change the way you do security because the way you've been doing it was asking for trouble.” There is no good reason to shut this down. /bill PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 4April2015Saturday, at 6:12, ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >>> I hope we are steadily moving moving towards a network that comes with >>> build-in privacy. I am not saying that the IETF needs to be the front >>> runner in that with their documents, although at some point in time >>> we should do what we preach. > >> I don't disagree with "built in" privacy. > >> I disagree with "forced" privacy and I don't think that any "rough >> consensus" document should force that upon any of us (especially one >> with zero requirements language). > >> The key question here is simple: > >> - does the RFC Editor have a reason to warrant >> mandatory privacy? > >> - should mandatory privacy apply to the whole site, >> or should there be some content it doesn't care is tracked? > >> IMO, access to I-Ds and RFCs ought to be available even with tracking. > > I completely agree with all of this. The IETF has led the way in providing > fully open access to both its standards and standards-in-the-making, and > indeed, there are still plenty of other standards that are difficult > to access. > > To me this is one of the IETF's core principles, and I don't think the > "privacy everywhere" priincple comes even close to trumping it. > > Ned > >