This is not a contest, one is not more important than the other, it is a question of dependencies. People's privacy on the Internet, yes hopefully built into the Internet's protocols, is dependent on a free, open, and accessible standards process. In the name of privacy, you cannot lock up and limit access to, what at the same time in the name of privacy must be open and accessible. However, this is irrelevant to the announcement and request for community comment. I think it is appropriate to retire support for FTP as announced. There are newer more appropriate options supported and in dominant use, http and rsync. Thanks. > On Apr 4, 2015, at 10:49, <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > If privacy is so important to the IETF, why are we all posting to this list using our real names? > > Lloyd Wood > http://about.me/lloydwood > > can we call the IETF chair "Number One"? > ________________________________________ > From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2015 12:12:20 AM > To: Joe Touch > Cc: Paul Wouters; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: FTP Service Discontinuance Under Consideration; Input Requested > >>> I hope we are steadily moving moving towards a network that comes with >>> build-in privacy. I am not saying that the IETF needs to be the front >>> runner in that with their documents, although at some point in time >>> we should do what we preach. > >> I don't disagree with "built in" privacy. > >> I disagree with "forced" privacy and I don't think that any "rough >> consensus" document should force that upon any of us (especially one >> with zero requirements language). > >> The key question here is simple: > >> - does the RFC Editor have a reason to warrant >> mandatory privacy? > >> - should mandatory privacy apply to the whole site, >> or should there be some content it doesn't care is tracked? > >> IMO, access to I-Ds and RFCs ought to be available even with tracking. > > I completely agree with all of this. The IETF has led the way in providing > fully open access to both its standards and standards-in-the-making, and > indeed, there are still plenty of other standards that are difficult > to access. > > To me this is one of the IETF's core principles, and I don't think the > "privacy everywhere" priincple comes even close to trumping it. > > Ned -- =============================================== David Farmer Email: farmer@xxxxxxx Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: +1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: +1-612-812-9952 ===============================================